Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:37813) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TabyE-0002bD-8Q; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:58 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o6sf4121832oag.16 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2TxD877sN0LtcdthVBpaBMOcPXcQMq0EttPgC712qck=; b=tuxuHhuAsNk+MX6Jprcyr8dGbJnloV5FbFbZ63EXgzQEIHjAZoGZka7a692NGUS210 ccvm0Dl27NWXqH5Tl4Z1nzxMm9UdzeCRTENVIz6UH7943cz8iU7NaQ09GXppc7qWfuOA uaRPM/v2p5nU3Xbn50pzyJtVE5SHVyTybDHoRR52CaSidssR4w+mtS5QI+j14QMj1jb1 Z+31AdREmOS33bs1kjIfXqi871MCDGQvQUEs07XrEG4upVxab/ncCcCP0RRCXbytYBUz M39vxlJzMPAoDPNiHwsnGEqRSWjY0llbmxXKUy4ceWYBRicJvNiF+nWp730nKXOPPqGY 9onQ== Received: by 10.50.163.3 with SMTP id ye3mr3224818igb.10.1353372339640; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:39 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.158.131 with SMTP id wu3ls3330890igb.6.canary; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.41.9 with SMTP id n9mr11797885ice.29.1353372338877; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.41.9 with SMTP id n9mr11797883ice.29.1353372338861; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s15si1424656igi.1.2012.11.19.16.45.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.176; Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id un3so7090215obb.21 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.8.68 with SMTP id p4mr11852344oea.7.1353372338562; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.94.71 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] c and sh From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c6ea7d253d04cee28dba X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie wrote: > I have another question. I've heard that the c in Lojban is the sh sound. > How is that logicalhis > First of all, the reason why Lojban in a logical language is because the grammar is based on predicate logic. Beyond that, very little of Lojban is how it is because of some underlying logic. 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That said, the reason why cy. is pronounced "sh" is simple. In English, c is pronounced in two ways; in the way s is, and in the k is. Since Lojban, unlike English, is a phoenetic language, that means that in Lojban, something with the sound of "s" is always spelled with s, and something with the sound of "k" is always spelled with a k, which means that "c" as it is in English doesn't exist. The creators gave cy. the "sh" sound for the same reason it gave xy. the "kh" sound, didn't include "q", "w", or "h", and made "y" always a vowel- to remove overlap between letterals and make a large variety of sounds be typed with only one letteral. > Sent from my iPod > > *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
I have another question. I've heard that the c in Lojban is the sh soun= d. How is that logicalhis

First of all, the reason= why Lojban in a logical language is because the grammar is based on predic= ate logic. Beyond that, very little of Lojban is how it is because of some = underlying logic.

That said, the reason why cy. is pronounced "sh" is simple. I= n English, c is pronounced in two ways; in the way s is, and in the k is. S= ince Lojban, unlike English, is a phoenetic language, that means that in Lo= jban, something with the sound of "s" is always spelled with s, a= nd something with the sound of "k" is always spelled with a k, wh= ich means that "c" as it is in English doesn't exist. The cre= ators gave cy. the "sh" sound for the same reason it gave xy. the= "kh" sound, didn't include "q", "w", or = "h", and made "y" always a vowel- to remove overlap bet= ween letterals and make a large variety of sounds be typed with only one le= tteral.
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