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[94.234.170.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t5sm5731931lbf.6.2012.11.20.23.03.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:03:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Fullstop References: <41C793FE-DF9E-4814-82D9-353E740E390D@asb.gaggle.net> From: Sebastian X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A403) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7CC90558-F2A2-43F1-8523-338EB29B9823@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:03:11 +0100 To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-335D7ED9-AAF9-4E4D-86A8-54691C660EBC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-335D7ED9-AAF9-4E4D-86A8-54691C660EBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can't you just say "la'e me'o denpa bu", without "lo me..."? What's the real difference between "me" and "la'e"? And one more thing I would like to ask: How do you express "triple periods" in lojban? For example, when someone st= art saying something but doesn't finish the sentence, but rather fade out i= n the middle of it, or similar cases. And is there any lojbanic way to show that text has been omitted, for examp= le in quotations? mu'omi'e jongausib Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone 21 nov 2012 kl. 02:08 skrev Jacob Errington : > Well, a minor detail: {me'o denpa bu} refers to the actual symbol, but in= the common IRC parlance, there're a few ways to actually refer to the conc= ept of the "pause" (which isn't actually necessarily a pause; the glottal s= top is just a sound like any other, but it has the alternative of being sub= stituted for by silence). Among others, there's {lo me denpa bu} which has = the obvious issue of {denpa bu} referring to something ('cause letterals ca= n be pronouns). {lo me la'e me'o denpa bu} but that's just too verbose for = anyone to ever say. That being said, the way that I advocate, which is also= advocated by some others, is {lo depybu'i} which makes surprising use of {= bu}'s rafsi, -bu'i-. > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >=20 >=20 > On 20 November 2012 16:38, Ross Ogilvie wrote: >> A full stop in lojban represents a pause in speech. You need to pause in= speech to show that the next word begins with a vowel, or that you have fi= nished saying a name. >>=20 >> English uses a full stop to separate sentences. The way to separate sent= ences in lojban is to use the word "i". Because it's a word beginning with = a vowel, it is normally written with a full stop before it. eg >>=20 >> ti mlatu .i ta gerku >> This is a cat. That is a dog >>=20 >> But it is the word "i", not the full stop that is separating the sentenc= es. >>=20 >> The word in lojban for the full stop is "denpabu", ie "the pause letter" >>=20 >> -- Ross >>=20 >>=20 >> On 21 November 2012 11:09, Annie wrote: >>> It seems like there's a lot of periods, fullstops in Lojban. Why would = you want to put them either at the beginning or in the middle of a word? >>>=20 >>> Sent from my iPod >>>=20 >>> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscr= ibe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>=20 >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscri= be@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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Can't you just say "la'e me'o denp= a bu", without "lo me..."?

What's the real differe= nce between "me" and "la'e"?

And one more thing I = would like to ask:
How do you express "triple periods" in lojban?= For example, when someone start saying something but doesn't finish the se= ntence, but rather fade out in the middle of it, or similar cases.

And is there any lojbanic way to show that text has been o= mitted, for example in quotations?

mu'omi'e jongau= sib

Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone

21 nov 2012 kl. 0= 2:08 skrev Jacob Errington <nictyt= an@gmail.com>:

Well, a m= inor detail: {me'o denpa bu} refers to the actual symbol, but in the common= IRC parlance, there're a few ways to actually refer to the concept of the = "pause" (which isn't actually necessarily a pause; the glottal stop is just= a sound like any other, but it has the alternative of being substituted fo= r by silence). Among others, there's {lo me denpa bu} which has the obvious= issue of {denpa bu} referring to something ('cause letterals can be pronou= ns). {lo me la'e me'o denpa bu} but that's just too verbose for anyone to e= ver say. That being said, the way that I advocate, which is also advocated = by some others, is {lo depybu'i} which makes surprising use of {bu}'s rafsi= , -bu'i-.
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


On 20 November 2012 16:38, Ross Ogilvie <ross@ross= ogilvie.id.au> wrote:
A full stop in lojban represents a pause in = speech. You need to pause in speech to show that the next word begins with = a vowel, or that you have finished saying a name.

English uses a full stop to separate sentences. The way to separate sen= tences in lojban is to use the word "i". Because it's a word beginning with= a vowel, it is normally written with a full stop before it. eg

ti mlatu .i ta gerku
This is a cat. That is a dog

But it is t= he word "i", not the full stop that is separating the sentences.

The= word in lojban for the full stop is "denpabu", ie "the pause letter"

-- Ross


On 21 November 2012 11:09, Annie <park.an= nie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
It seems like there's a lot of periods, fullstops in Lojban. Why would you = want to put them either at the beginning or in the middle of a word?

Sent from my iPod

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