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21 nov 2012 kl. 13:06 skrev Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>:

On 20 November 2012 23:03, Sebastian <so.cool.og= i@gmail.com> wrote:

Can't you just say "la'e me'o denpa bu", without "lo= me..."?

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What's the real difference between "me" a= nd "la'e"?

Well = for starters, their grammatical functions are entirely different, but in pa= rticular, me means "x1 is among the referents of [sumti]"; not sure off the= top of my head what the x2 does under xorlo / xorxo {me}. As for {la'e}, i= t dereferences the sumti, and refers to those things to which the symbol of= the sumti are indicative. In other words, {la'e zoi url http://example.org url} differs drastically from {lo me zo= i url http://example.org url} because th= e former refers to the actual web site or its content, whereas the second r= efers still to another text.

And one more thing I would like to ask:
How do you express= "triple periods" in lojban? For example, when someone start saying somethi= ng but doesn't finish the sentence, but rather fade out in the middle of it= , or similar cases.

Fading out like that = can be ungrammatical in some cases, but in others it's something I'm not en= tirely sure how to render in Lojban.

And is there any lojbanic way to show tha= t text has been omitted, for example in quotations?

Of course, there's a cmavo for that {li= 'o}. It's a UI, so a free modifier, and the surrounding text needs to stay = grammatical.

Interesting= ! I didn't know about "li'o".

Can you give any example how to use that = cmavo ?

Thanks for the answers by the way!

mu'omi'e jongausib

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21 nov 2012 kl. 02:08 skrev Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>:

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Well, a minor detail: = {me'o denpa bu} refers to the actual symbol, but in the common IRC parlance= , there're a few ways to actually refer to the concept of the "pause" (whic= h isn't actually necessarily a pause; the glottal stop is just a sound like= any other, but it has the alternative of being substituted for by silence)= . Among others, there's {lo me denpa bu} which has the obvious issue of {de= npa bu} referring to something ('cause letterals can be pronouns). {lo me l= a'e me'o denpa bu} but that's just too verbose for anyone to ever say. That= being said, the way that I advocate, which is also advocated by some other= s, is {lo depybu'i} which makes surprising use of {bu}'s rafsi, -bu'i-.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 20 November 2012 16:38, Ross Ogilvie <ross@ross= ogilvie.id.au> wrote:

A full stop in lojban represents a pause in = speech. You need to pause in speech to show that the next word begins with = a vowel, or that you have finished saying a name.

English uses a full stop to separate sentences. The way to separate sen= tences in lojban is to use the word "i". Because it's a word beginning with= a vowel, it is normally written with a full stop before it. eg

ti mlatu .i ta gerku
This is a cat. That is a dog

But it is t= he word "i", not the full stop that is separating the sentences.

The= word in lojban for the full stop is "denpabu", ie "the pause letter"=

-- Ross

On 21= November 2012 11:09, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

It seems like there's a lot of periods, fullstops in Lojban. Why would you = want to put them either at the beginning or in the middle of a word?

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