Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:59124) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc3F2-0004hT-LX; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:05:08 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id wz12sf6703399pbc.16 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:04:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jT3XG6mOD6fyp7ZUoE+LgfHQ1U/4IdXR3jXoLkCxg7Y=; b=QWpfuStu8NWjYGVkEHxZ27AmExfRyX1cz0OmhVJRhTuNWnRTKWrK8hZYyuL4Bh6/FS X9/iFm492lE/a4clz/Zv9GpB2r1vtSjplGRq56ZyZeNzMhoOtREJ9sP+PZUO4Bk3rjm7 b5FWCB9vlV6n5Tt6cLMiYVZqOgHjmVvlK2DXnYASt2LXcW2xJz2JyN1heOpLBY3wQ1yZ bWrSn+chyThUMo6vR+1jGsGJjanNcHQH857GY9TmtGWNKg7+SSxI/Yk2TzC1NchgGbyG 2af2ffTI7er70BcuE/P89/dyFWPAx0Mv/Bz+dFT2rGbDjYWy/88dXwedX2jUBITfpSlo BS+A== Received: by 10.49.86.106 with SMTP id o10mr836372qez.14.1353715498022; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:04:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.94.103 with SMTP id db7ls612170qeb.69.gmail; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.86.106 with SMTP id o10mr836369qez.14.1353715497332; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:04:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: mudri To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <6e229b6d-a250-401b-b5f3-608a9c43a41a@googlegroups.com> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?W2xvamJhbi1iZWdpbm5lcnNdIFthXSB2cyBb5l0=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jammyatjammy@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_761_23192047.1353715496940" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_761_23192047.1353715496940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too high, and I can't=20 find a comparison of [=E6] and [a] anywhere. It was mentioned somewhere els= e=20 that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is difficult/obfuscating. However, I=20 find it easy to interpret a Lojban 'a' as a plain English 'a' (as in,=20 recognising {la .kamryn.} is easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't). Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that the 'a' sound= =20 is probably typical of northern England. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban-beginners/-/EcK6S5Hu1icJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_761_23192047.1353715496940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too high, and I can't fi= nd a comparison of [=E6] and [a] anywhere. It was mentioned somewhere else = that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is difficult/obfuscating. However, I fi= nd it easy to interpret a Lojban 'a' as a plain English 'a' (as in, recogni= sing {la .kamryn.} is easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't).

N= ote that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that the 'a' sound i= s probably typical of northern England.

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