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[208.81.237.185]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id i7si540935yhj.6.2012.11.23.16.14.34; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of park.annie@asb.gaggle.net designates 208.81.237.185 as permitted sender) client-ip=208.81.237.185; Received: (qmail 8081 invoked by uid 358); 24 Nov 2012 00:14:32 -0000 Received: from [10.0.32.2] (HELO mx8.gaggle.net) (10.0.32.2) by mx5.gaggle.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:14:32 -0800 Received: from [98.81.86.234] (HELO [10.0.1.6]) (98.81.86.234) (smtp-auth username Park.Annie@asb.gaggle.net, mechanism plain) by mx8.gaggle.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:14:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Question References: From: Annie X-Mailer: iPod Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:14:26 -0600 To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on mx8.gaggle.net X-GOMS-Validated-Recipients: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Gaggle-Info: *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. 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What do you mean by upp= er apostrophe, or whatever? Sent from my iPod On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gm= ail.com> wrote: Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (bot= h called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it= is very common in these. It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. Matt explained = how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in this respect (commas, = if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic consonants - but that= 's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on morphology: CVV and C= V'V syllables behave identically (other than having different meanings). Fi= nally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter in the lujvo scoring= algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I suppose someone thoug= ht, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a". On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote: I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h. How is that so, when t= he apostrophe is practically the h? Sent from my iPod *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-begin= ners/-/-zJpIwnUk9EJ. To post to this group, send email to loj= ban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= . *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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Are you saying that left-brace is = sort of a letter? What do you mean by upper apostrophe, or whatever? <= /div>

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On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, = mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

Just to add some= thing, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (both called {.y'y.}= ). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it is very common = in these.

It is called a "half letter" sometimes for var= ious reasons. Matt explained how it only appears between vowels, and is uni= que in this respect (commas, if I remember correctly, can be used next to s= yllabic consonants - but that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no ef= fect on morphology: CVV and CV'V syllables behave identically (other than h= aving different meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as half = a letter in the lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts as half a let= ter", I suppose someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a".
On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote:
I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently = no h. How is that so, when the apostrophe is practically the h?

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