Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:49407) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc3UA-0004vl-Ip; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:20:47 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id wz12sf6705882pbc.16 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:20:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ImZ9GnbWITKjHHmAvfi3dCzkl9ZN6m6Mghz4x+xOG/Q=; b=cNBvsUisFx0U4HcfrUlrAaqoPZ7fXoJgav+tFLxp3Lvfgz0xNHdG8cgt5HepZpJjF9 wFsKJy5iVYUhJmsWHWWlt70Sak2MQ7PTVSyVFquCtZMdQT0Lh2IMViC6WGeBvqqpCzIV Cg7zykojWBIDy5DlzVuWu8Pu9M6/rptmLdmhObfI8aIytlKPvZZ+JrIBwUIb0DAcTncT yIahNLQJh6wa/DK64/3+xz6xuYzTNffcTqr88mrfufAu10uVwhLwI8w/gZW6yf2IK8q2 ip///C84bWIhBULGEn3zgX9vzl0yqVv41xle2EGlft281JRSbCKjb+KP5BjRaGIOb0H+ 6TTg== Received: by 10.49.127.198 with SMTP id ni6mr837820qeb.23.1353716436288; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:20:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.35.49 with SMTP id e17ls549003qej.59.gmail; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.6.36 with SMTP id x4mr900232qex.30.1353716435709; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:20:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: mudri To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Cc: park.annie@asb.gaggle.net Message-Id: <461d8410-7da9-44ca-8714-33965aaf93ca@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jammyatjammy@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2530_28396292.1353716434930" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2530_28396292.1353716434930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other languages. I'm not quite sure why they're used, but it's a kind of standard. For upper case apostrophe, I'll give the example of the name of selma'o {KOhA} (again, braces are "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K' is capital 'k', 'h' is capital apostrophe. On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wrote: > > Are you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What do you mean by > upper apostrophe, or whatever? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri > > wrote: > > Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe > (both called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names, > though it is very common in these. > > It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. Matt explained > how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in this respect (commas, > if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic consonants - but > that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on morphology: CVV > and CV'V syllables behave identically (other than having different > meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter in the > lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I suppose > someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a". > > On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote: >> >> I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h. How is that so, when >> the apostrophe is practically the h? >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/-zJpIwnUk9EJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginne...@googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/9XOwVTG6NqEJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_2530_28396292.1353716434930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other languages.= I'm not quite sure why they're used, but it's a kind of standard.

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For upper case apostrophe, I'll give the example of the name of = selma'o {KOhA} (again, braces are "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So= , as 'K' is capital 'k', 'h' is capital apostrophe.

On Saturday, 24 = November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wrote:
Are you saying that left-brace is sort of= a letter? What do you mean by upper apostrophe, or whatever? 

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri &= lt;jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the = apostrophe (both called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o n= ames, though it is very common in these.

It is called a = "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. Matt explained how it only app= ears between vowels, and is unique in this respect (commas, if I remember c= orrectly, can be used next to syllabic consonants - but that's unimportant)= . The apostrophe also has no effect on morphology: CVV and CV'V syllables b= ehave identically (other than having different meanings). Finally, it is co= unted almost literally as half a letter in the lujvo scoring algorithm. "So= mething that acts as half a letter", I suppose someone thought, "should hav= e 'half' a glyph, pe'a".

On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, A= nnie wrote:
I found out that in Loj= ban, there's apparently no h. How is that so, when the apostrophe is practi= cally the h?

Sent from my iPod

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