Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:34274) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tc4Hu-0005WG-PL; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:12:11 -0800 Received: by mail-ie0-f189.google.com with SMTP id 17sf645032iea.16 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:12:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UGnxUEKzL7F4v4/z0PTYd1eMrUfhs8uZ/T4spZKQHZM=; b=G9xdRv0e5Aahg0u7/mVRRtApmlblx9IDYg7Ovr42CFXt157Ho11gINXB+0Y9XJhG6g AesnbYzKmFF0YesKbHDqsaWAmN6r6WLqjZQCZN1envq6XmdN5TuGnvhNYqZcppcJY2Bp BOrLN822scXSsyZaEWFh6dJwlS/hud5RpbIsqjCoF6J2qn+tekdIRZqJKHu2D4xvcGoB WXuv1aTUHCAFRvYSLI1T46YZ/TG69S32oFiq5PMSIExLDmj+JeYkiAAbp95x7HKMDAzv phNA4+APyOR2tJ+qW+CwmKg15mPzioe7Ba8wlB4FgzjvFZbNPDQUIqyNtxk8+67C0oFA qKRg== Received: by 10.50.185.167 with SMTP id fd7mr1361193igc.11.1353719519792; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.194.226 with SMTP id hz2ls881893igc.19.canary; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.8.65 with SMTP id or1mr3860401icb.9.1353719519141; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.8.65 with SMTP id or1mr3860400icb.9.1353719519129; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com. [209.68.5.17]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id o7si721156igl.0.2012.11.23.17.11.58; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.17; Received: (qmail 7985 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2012 01:11:58 -0000 Received: from 93.220.68.59 (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (93.220.68.59) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2012 01:11:58 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 93.220.68.59 Message-ID: <50B01EE7.6040307@plasmatix.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:12:07 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Question References:

<461d8410-7da9-44ca-8714-33965aaf93ca@googlegroups.com> <2BBDCCF8-84D8-489C-BF2A-AE65AE35FBA1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / There seems to be some confusion here about the apostrophe and capital=20 letters in Lojban. Lojban does not use capital letters unless when you wish to mark a=20 stressed syllable, which is are written using capital letters. It's also=20 legal to only capitalize the vowel of that syllable. For example, dunda might be written DUNda or dUnda, but this is not=20 required. (There are also some other systems in use, like placing=20 accents above the vowel instead) Secondly, we've established already that instead of an h, Lojban uses=20 the apostrophe for reasons that have been given already. When writing=20 parsers for Lojban, in the program/code, you need to use names=20 internally that don't interfere with the syntax of the programming=20 language. Usually, apostrophes can't be used, so in this case, and=20 really only in this case, the apostrophe is replaced by an actual h. You=20 will never see this is actual Lojban text, so you don't even need to=20 worry about it. h is the capitalized version of ' simply because ' denotes an h sound,=20 and so "h" is the most obvious choice for a capital version of this letter. "mi'e la selpa'i" would be capitalized as "MIhE LA SELPAhI", in theory,=20 but again, this is not something that you need to do. It's just simply a=20 fact that ' and h are the lower and upper case versions of the same=20 letter. Many also prefer to keep the apostrophe even in words that are=20 entirely capitalized: "MI'E LA SELPA'I". mi'e la selpa'i mu'o --=20 do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.