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If you ever took Latin, or possibly any of the Romance languages, the
vowels possibly excepting .ybu are pronounced exactly the same as in that
language.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I made a mistake. Lojban long-a is {.ei}, not {.ai}. {.ai} is
> long-i.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too high, and I can'=
t
>>> find a comparison of [=E6] and [a] anywhere. It was mentioned somewhere=
 else
>>> that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is difficult/obfuscating. However, =
I
>>> find it easy to interpret a Lojban 'a' as a plain English 'a' (as in,
>>> recognising {la .kamryn.} is easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't).
>>>
>>> Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that the 'a'
>>> sound is probably typical of northern England.
>>>
>>
>> I assume =E6 is the sound of the "a" in hat, yes? I'm not sure what you
>> mean by a Plain English 'a'", since an English 'a' has at least three
>> different pronunciations even without accounting for accents, but these =
are
>> some examples of words that- for me at least- have the same sounding as:
>>
>> 'a': h*o*t, f*a*ther, c*a*ll, d*a*rk, f*a*r, p*a*ll, Ir*a*n (la.iran.,
>> not "I ran")....
>> "=E6": p*a*t, m*a*th, p*a*l, c*a*p,* *r*a*n....
>> "A": m*a*te, p*ai*l, r*ay*, d*a*te....
>>
>> In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai li'u, respectively. Th=
e
>> best way to render =E6 in Lojban I can think of is lu .ae li'u, but that=
's
>> not a legal diphthong.
>>
>> Finally, .ybu isn't usually an "a" in English. It's pronounced exactly
>> the same as "uh", and its sound is usually found as "u" in English words=
: p
>> *u*tt, sh*u*t, r*u*dder....
>>
>> It is of course possible that these example words aren't pronounced the
>> same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak B.C.E., but it's =
my
>> hope they are.
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>


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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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If you ever took Latin, or possibly any of the Romance languages, the vowel=
s possibly excepting .ybu are pronounced exactly the same as in that langua=
ge.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Jona=
than Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry, I made a mistake. Lojban long-a is {.=
ei}, not {.ai}. {.ai} is long-i.<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br=
><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, mudri =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jammyatjammy@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">jammyatjammy@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I&#39;m wondering whether I&#39;m pronouncing Lojban&#39;s &#39;a&#39; too =
high, and I can&#39;t find a comparison of [=E6] and [a] anywhere. It was m=
entioned somewhere else that Lojbanising the vowel of &quot;hat&quot; is di=
fficult/obfuscating. However, I find it easy to interpret a Lojban &#39;a&#=
39; as a plain English &#39;a&#39; (as in, recognising {la .kamryn.} is eas=
y, but {la .nikylys.} isn&#39;t).<div>


<br></div><div>Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that=
 the &#39;a&#39; sound is probably typical of northern England.</div></bloc=
kquote></div><div><br></div></div><div>I assume =E6 is the sound of the &qu=
ot;a&quot; in hat, yes? I&#39;m not sure what you mean by a Plain English &=
#39;a&#39;&quot;, since an English &#39;a&#39; has at least three different=
 pronunciations even without accounting for accents, but these are some exa=
mples of words that- for me at least- have the same sounding as:</div>


<div><br></div><div>&#39;a&#39;:=A0h<b>o</b>t, f<b>a</b>ther, c<b>a</b>ll, =
d<b>a</b>rk, f<b>a</b>r, p<b>a</b>ll, Ir<b>a</b>n (la.iran., not &quot;I ra=
n&quot;)....</div><div>&quot;=E6&quot;: p<b>a</b>t, m<b>a</b>th, p<b>a</b>l=
, c<b>a</b>p,<b>=A0</b>r<b>a</b>n....</div>


<div>&quot;A&quot;: m<b>a</b>te, p<b>ai</b>l, r<b>ay</b>, d<b>a</b>te....</=
div><div><br></div><div>In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai l=
i&#39;u, respectively. The best way to render =E6 in Lojban I can think of =
is lu .ae li&#39;u, but that&#39;s not a legal diphthong.</div>


<div><br></div><div>Finally, .ybu isn&#39;t usually an &quot;a&quot; in Eng=
lish. It&#39;s pronounced exactly the same as &quot;uh&quot;, and its sound=
 is usually found as &quot;u&quot; in English words: p<b>u</b>tt, sh<b>u</b=
>t, r<b>u</b>dder....</div>


<div><br></div><div>It is of course possible that these example words aren&=
#39;t pronounced the same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak=
 B.C.E., but it&#39;s my hope they are.</div><span><font color=3D"#888888">=
<div>

<br></div>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br>
<br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&=
#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <b=
r>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denp=
a bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am =
your father. :D )<br>

<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>=
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa =
bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am yo=
ur father. :D )<br>
<br>

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