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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:20 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

> The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other
> languages. I'm not quite sure why they're used, but it's a kind of standard.
>
> For upper case apostrophe, I'll give the example of the name of selma'o
> {KOhA} (again, braces are "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K'
> is capital 'k', 'h' is capital apostrophe.
>

Actually, "KOhA" isn't Lojban. It's the English name for the group. 'h' was
chosen because the computers that were being used at the time wouldn't
allow using " ' ", and it kind of stuck. In Lojban, "KOhA" is {lo selma'o
be ko'a}


> On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wrote:
>
>> Are you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What do you mean by
>> upper apostrophe, or whatever?
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe
>> (both called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names,
>> though it is very common in these.
>>
>> It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. Matt
>> explained how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in this respect
>> (commas, if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic consonants -
>> but that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on morphology:
>> CVV and CV'V syllables behave identically (other than having different
>> meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter in the
>> lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I suppose
>> someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a".
>>
>> On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote:
>>>
>>> I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h. How is that so,
>>> when the apostrophe is practically the h?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:20 PM, mudri <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:jammyatjammy@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jammyatjammy@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">
The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other languages.=
 I&#39;m not quite sure why they&#39;re used, but it&#39;s a kind of standa=
rd.<div><br></div><div>For upper case apostrophe, I&#39;ll give the example=
 of the name of selma&#39;o {KOhA} (again, braces are &quot;quotes&quot;). =
It is derrived from {ko&#39;a}. So, as &#39;K&#39; is capital &#39;k&#39;, =
&#39;h&#39; is capital apostrophe.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Actually, &quot;KOhA&quot; isn&#39;t Lojba=
n. It&#39;s the English name for the group. &#39;h&#39; was chosen because =
the computers that were being used at the time wouldn&#39;t allow using &qu=
ot; &#39; &quot;, and it kind of stuck. In Lojban, &quot;KOhA&quot; is {lo =
selma&#39;o be ko&#39;a}</div>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"im">On Satu=
rday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie  wrote:</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"im"><div>Are you saying that left-brace is =
sort of a letter? What do you mean by upper apostrophe, or whatever?=A0</di=
v><div><br>Sent from my iPod</div></div><div class=3D"im"><div><br>On Nov 2=
3, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri &lt;<a>jammya...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"im">Just to ad=
d something, &#39;h&#39; is the upper case version of the apostrophe (both =
called {.y&#39;y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma&#39;o names, tho=
ugh it is very common in these.<div>
<br></div><div>It is called a &quot;half letter&quot; sometimes for various=
 reasons. Matt explained how it only appears between vowels, and is unique =
in this respect (commas, if I remember correctly, can be used next to sylla=
bic consonants - but that&#39;s unimportant). The apostrophe also has no ef=
fect on morphology: CVV and CV&#39;V syllables behave identically (other th=
an having different meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as h=
alf a letter in the lujvo scoring algorithm. &quot;Something that acts as h=
alf a letter&quot;, I suppose someone thought, &quot;should have &#39;half&=
#39; a glyph, pe&#39;a&quot;.<br>
<br>On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie  wrote:<blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">I found out that in Lojban, there&#39;s apparently =
no h. How is that so, when the apostrophe is practically the h?
<br>
<br>Sent from my iPod
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