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[208.81.237.191]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id i7si699155yhj.6.2012.11.24.11.17.02; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of park.annie@asb.gaggle.net designates 208.81.237.191 as permitted sender) client-ip=208.81.237.191; Received: (qmail 15295 invoked by uid 358); 24 Nov 2012 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from [10.0.32.2] (HELO mx8.gaggle.net) (10.0.32.2) by mx11.gaggle.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:17:00 -0800 Received: from [98.81.109.198] (HELO [10.0.1.6]) (98.81.109.198) (smtp-auth username Park.Annie@asb.gaggle.net, mechanism plain) by mx8.gaggle.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:16:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: memrise simplified gismu {dukse} vs {zmadu} definition References: <1aeeea0e-aea5-4faa-9036-bea624f165b4@googlegroups.com> From: Annie X-Mailer: iPod Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9D4F751F-E735-42FA-BF7B-CF06B7EF1511@asb.gaggle.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:16:46 -0600 To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on mx8.gaggle.net X-GOMS-Validated-Recipients: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Gaggle-Info: *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. 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Sent from my iPod On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gma= il.com> wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:11 PM, mudri <jammyatjamm= y@gmail.com> wrote: Can I add something? I notice that {jibni} has been given a simplified tran= slation that reads something like "similar, close in properties". For a whi= le, I guessed at {simsa}, since it seems to fit that translation remarkably= well (better, if I've not misunderstood). In fact, what is the difference = between these two? The full definitions are almost exactly the same, too, which is why my simp= lied definition (the ones used in Memrise) are so close. The words are almo= st exactly the same in meaning. From the notes (in simsa), I'd say that two Golden Delicious apples can be = both simsa and jibni, a picture (or painting) is simsa (assuming it's of so= mething that exists in real life, like a landscape or still life), and a le= ngth of string which is .01 cm shorter than another string is jibni. On Tuesday, 14 August 2012 12:40:40 UTC+1, kamisori wrote: Hello, i have quite alot trouble keeping those two apart. I propose to change {zmadu}s definition to "x1 is more than or exceeds x2 i= n x3 by amount x4" hereby it would be easier to memorise its meaning, becau= se to me the similarity of "x1 exceeds or is more than x2 in x3 by amount x= 4" to "x1 is an excess of x2 by standard x3" is hindering my learning effor= t. What do you guys think? .u'i On the other hand, of course i could simply try to read the definition= more carefully, but due to the timers i always feel like i'm in a hurry... mlatu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-begin= ners/-/tCQu1VenSFwJ. To post to this group, send email to loj= ban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Jonathan J= ones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wro= te:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:1= 1 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:
Can I add something? I notice that {jibni} has been given a simplified tran= slation that reads something like "similar, close in properties". For a whi= le, I guessed at {simsa}, since it seems to fit that translation remarkably= well (better, if I've not misunderstood). In fact, what is the difference = between these two?

The full definitions are almost exactly the same, too, = which is why my simplied definition (the ones used in Memrise) are so close= . The words are almost exactly the same in meaning.

From the notes (in simsa), I'd say that two Golden Delicious apples ca= n be both simsa and jibni, a picture (or painting) is simsa (assuming it's = of something that exists in real life, like a landscape or still life), and= a length of string which is .01 cm shorter than another string is jibni.

On Tuesday,= 14 August 2012 12:40:40 UTC+1, kamisori wrote:
Hello, i have quite alot trouble keeping those two apart.
I propose to = change {zmadu}s definition to "x1 is more than or exceeds x2 in x3 by amoun= t x4" hereby it would be easier to memorise its meaning, because to me the = similarity of "x1 exceeds or is more than x2 in x3 by amount x4" to "x= 1 is an excess of x2 by standard x3" is hindering my learning effort.

What do you guys think?

.u'i O= n the other hand, of course i could simply try to read the definition more = carefully, but due to the timers i always feel like i'm in a hurry...

mlatu

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