What's a selma'o? I saw that in th= e Lojban dictionary app on my iPod.

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On 24 Nov 2012, at 2:12 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

How can I know if a name is a selma'o name or not? I hope I spelled t= hat correctly.

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On Nov 24, 2012, at 1= :29 PM, James Wood <jammyatjam= my@gmail.com> wrote:

I a= ssume you are talking about how "KOhA" shouldn't be in braces (the mistake = I made). The problem is that the text inside the braces should be in Lojban= . However, those capitalised selma'o names are not part of correct Lojban. = They are used when talking about Lojban in a language other than Lojban. It= 's a simple rule, but I fear that it's been made to seem more complicated t= han it is.

On 24 November 2012 19:12, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

If braces are quotes, then what is so complicating a= bout their use?

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<= br>On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:30 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:20 PM, m= udri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other languages.= I'm not quite sure why they're used, but it's a kind of standard.

I'm pretty sure it came about as a means of signall= ing that the enclosed text was in Lojban. There are some words, like {santa= }, for instance, that are also words in English, and I'd bet other language= s too, so "santa" isn't as clearly the Lojban word as {santa} is. As to why= '{ }' in the first place, my guess is is that it's because '( )', '[ ]', a= nd '< >' either already have a different use in English or doesn't lo= ok as 'cool'. (santa) [santa] <santa> {santa}.

For upper case apostro= phe, I'll give the example of the name of selma'o {KOhA} (again, braces are= "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K' is capital 'k', 'h' is c= apital apostrophe.

On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wrote:=

Are you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What do you mean b= y upper apostrophe, or whatever?

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On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri <jammya...@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Just to add something, = 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe (both called {.y'y.}). This= really only ever occurs in selma'o names, though it is very common in thes= e.

It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. = Matt explained how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in this re= spect (commas, if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic conson= ants - but that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on morpho= logy: CVV and CV'V syllables behave identically (other than having differen= t meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter in th= e lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I suppos= e someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a".

On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote:
I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h= . How is that so, when the apostrophe is practically the h?

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