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For possessive you have many option.

1. using {pe} to indicate an association: "my room (where I sleep)" -> { lo
kumfa pe mi }
2. using {po} to indicate possession: "my room (that I own)" ->  { lo kumfa
po mi }
3. using one of the personal pro-sumti: "my room (in an unspecified sense"
-> { lo mi kunfa }
4. using the dedicated su,ti place like in "my father" -> { lo patfu be mi }


 The role of pronouns is played, in Lojban, by the pro-sumti. Note that
they are not exactly the same! It's better not to try to translate English
concepts directly into Lojban. It's much better to understand how things
work in Lojban and then try to use them to express what you want to say.

 If you're just asking for personal pronouns the first and second person is
covered by:

 {mi} -> me (the speaker)
 {do} -> you  (the listener)
 {ko} -> you (imperative)
 {do'o} -> you and others but not me
 {mi'o} -> you and me but not others
 {ma'a} -> me, you and others
 {mi'a} -> me and others but not you

For third person one uses the assignable pro-sumti {ko'V} and {fo'V} or a
the first letter of the sumti you want to refer to.

I saw a dog. it was running -> {mi viska lo gerku goi ko'a .i ko'a bajra}
I saw a dog. it was running -> {mi viska lo gerku .i gy. bajra}

co'o mu'o mi'e la remod


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> in Lojban?
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For possessive you have many option.<br><br>1. using {pe} to indicate an as=
sociation: &quot;my room (where I sleep)&quot; -&gt; { lo kumfa pe mi }<br>=
2. using {po} to indicate possession: &quot;my room (that I own)&quot; -&gt=
;=A0 { lo kumfa po mi }<br>
3. using one of the personal pro-sumti: &quot;my room (in an unspecified se=
nse&quot; -&gt; { lo mi kunfa }<br>4. using the dedicated su,ti place like =
in &quot;my father&quot; -&gt; { lo patfu be mi }<br><br><br>=A0The role of=
 pronouns is played, in Lojban, by the pro-sumti. Note that they are not ex=
actly the same! It&#39;s better not to try to translate English concepts di=
rectly into Lojban. It&#39;s much better to understand how things work in L=
ojban and then try to use them to express what you want to say.<br>
<br>=A0If you&#39;re just asking for personal pronouns the first and second=
 person is covered by:<br><br>=A0{mi} -&gt; me (the speaker)<br>=A0{do} -&g=
t; you=A0 (the listener)<br>=A0{ko} -&gt; you (imperative)<br>=A0{do&#39;o}=
 -&gt; you and others but not me<br>
=A0{mi&#39;o} -&gt; you and me but not others<br>=A0{ma&#39;a} -&gt; me, yo=
u and others<br>=A0{mi&#39;a} -&gt; me and others but not you<br><br>For th=
ird person one uses the assignable pro-sumti {ko&#39;V} and {fo&#39;V} or a=
 the first letter of the sumti you want to refer to.<br>
<br>I saw a dog. it was running -&gt; {mi viska lo gerku goi ko&#39;a .i ko=
&#39;a bajra}<br>I saw a dog. it was running -&gt; {mi viska lo gerku .i gy=
. bajra}<br><br>co&#39;o mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la remod<br><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Annie =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:park.annie@asb.gaggle.net" target=
=3D"_blank">park.annie@asb.gaggle.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">
How do you make a word possessive in Lojban? Also, what are the pronouns in=
 Lojban?<br>
<br>
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