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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Possessives
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Unless I'm wrong, {lo mi kumfa} and {lo kumfa pe mi} have exactly the
same meaning.
There are also other ways, but those listed by remod are the most
important.
And, you misspelled "sumti" as "su,ti". No need to confuse Annie more
than necessary (zo'o)
Capital V in {ko'V} and {fo'V} means any vowel of a, e, i, o, u
(there's a total of ten third person pro-sumti, not counting
letterals).

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 24 Lis, 22:36, Remo Dentato <rdent...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For possessive you have many option.
>
> 1. using {pe} to indicate an association: "my room (where I sleep)" -> { =
lo
> kumfa pe mi }
> 2. using {po} to indicate possession: "my room (that I own)" -> =A0{ lo k=
umfa
> po mi }
> 3. using one of the personal pro-sumti: "my room (in an unspecified sense=
"
> -> { lo mi kunfa }
> 4. using the dedicated su,ti place like in "my father" -> { lo patfu be m=
i }
>
> =A0The role of pronouns is played, in Lojban, by the pro-sumti. Note that
> they are not exactly the same! It's better not to try to translate Englis=
h
> concepts directly into Lojban. It's much better to understand how things
> work in Lojban and then try to use them to express what you want to say.
>
> =A0If you're just asking for personal pronouns the first and second perso=
n is
> covered by:
>
> =A0{mi} -> me (the speaker)
> =A0{do} -> you =A0(the listener)
> =A0{ko} -> you (imperative)
> =A0{do'o} -> you and others but not me
> =A0{mi'o} -> you and me but not others
> =A0{ma'a} -> me, you and others
> =A0{mi'a} -> me and others but not you
>
> For third person one uses the assignable pro-sumti {ko'V} and {fo'V} or a
> the first letter of the sumti you want to refer to.
>
> I saw a dog. it was running -> {mi viska lo gerku goi ko'a .i ko'a bajra}
> I saw a dog. it was running -> {mi viska lo gerku .i gy. bajra}
>
> co'o mu'o mi'e la remod
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Annie <park.an...@asb.gaggle.net> wrote=
:
> > How do you make a word possessive in Lojban? Also, what are the pronoun=
s
> > in Lojban?
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