On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:08 AM, mudri <ja= mmyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

I've just re= membered about a video I made a couple of months ago:=C2=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCOnrPtFkuxc&feature=3Dplcp. I t= hink I've got better since that, but my 'a' sound is basically = the same.

On Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:18:08 AM UTC, a= ionys wrote:
If you ever took Latin, or possibly any of the Romance languages, the vowe= ls possibly excepting .ybu are pronounced exactly the same as in that langu= age.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012= at 2:16 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Sorry, I made a mist= ake. Lojban long-a is {.ei}, not {.ai}. {.ai} is long-i.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones = <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, mudri = <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too = high, and I can't find a comparison of [=C3=A6] and [a] anywhere. It wa= s mentioned somewhere else that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is= difficult/obfuscating. However, I find it easy to interpret a Lojban '= a' as a plain English 'a' (as in, recognising {la .kamryn.} is = easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't).

Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that= the 'a' sound is probably typical of northern England.

I assume =C3=A6 is the sound of the = "a" in hat, yes? I'm not sure what you mean by a Plain Englis= h 'a'", since an English 'a' has at least three differ= ent pronunciations even without accounting for accents, but these are some = examples of words that- for me at least- have the same sounding as:

'a':=C2=A0hot, father, cal= l, dark, far, pall, Iran (la.iran., not "I= ran")....
"=C3=A6": pat, math, p= al, cap,=C2=A0ran....

"A": mate, pail, ray, date....

In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai l= i'u, respectively. The best way to render =C3=A6 in Lojban I can think = of is lu .ae li'u, but that's not a legal diphthong.

Finally, .ybu isn't usually an "a" in Eng= lish. It's pronounced exactly the same as "uh", and its sound= is usually found as "u" in English words: putt, shut, rudder....

It is of course possible that these example words aren&= #39;t pronounced the same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak= B.C.E., but it's my hope they are.
=

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&= #39;o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai k= o cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to t= he Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko = cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the= Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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