On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

How can there possibly be ten thirdcomperson prosumt= i?

There's actually more than 10, if y= ou count the first-letter kind.
=A0

Do they all mean he, she, it, or they, or is there s= ome hidden meanings I didn't know about?

<= br>Yes and yes. Unlike in English, where "he" for example can be = a different person each time (, "Bob and Jerry went to the store. He b= ought apples while he went to the bathroom."), in Lojban each of the p= rosumti always refer to the same thing. With the go'V and fo'V seri= es, what they are referring to is usually explicitly mentioned with {goi}. = For instance, if I said

{la.djan. goi ko'a barda}, it means
"John, who will hencefo= rth be referred to by 'ko'a', is big.",

and from th= en on, whenever I say {ko'a}, it means that particular John.
=A0

What are the actual w= ords?

ko'a, ko'e, ko'i, ko= 'o, ko'u, fo'a, fo'e, fo'i, fo'o, and fo'u are = the prosumti variables (, meaning they don't refer to anything until th= ey've been assigned, either explicitly with {goi} or implicitly via con= text). The consonants (cy., dy., fy., gy., etc.) can also be prosumti, and = when used as such, refer to the most recent sumti beginning with that lette= r:

{la.djan. nelci lo plise .i dy. barda .i py. kukte}
"John likes= apples. John is big. Apples are tasty."
=A0

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<= br>On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, ianek <ja= nek37@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I'm wrong, {lo mi kumfa} and {lo kumfa pe mi} have exactly the same meaning.

They do. {lo mi kumfa} is literally = just shorthand for {lo kumfa pe mi}.
=A0
There are also other ways, but those listed by remod are the most
important.
And, you misspelled "sumti" as "su,ti". No need to conf= use Annie more
than necessary (zo'o)
Capital V in {ko'V} and {fo'V} means any vowel of a, e, i, o, u
(there's a total of ten third person pro-sumti, not counting
letterals).

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 24 Lis, 22:36, Remo Dentato <rdent...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For possessive you have many option.
>
> 1. using {pe} to indicate an association: "my room (where I sleep= )" -> { lo
> kumfa pe mi }
> 2. using {po} to indicate possession: "my room (that I own)"= -> =A0{ lo kumfa
> po mi }
> 3. using one of the personal pro-sumti: "my room (in an unspecifi= ed sense"
> -> { lo mi kunfa }
> 4. using the dedicated su,ti place like in "my father" ->= { lo patfu be mi }
>
> =A0The role of pronouns is played, in Lojban, by the pro-sumti. Note t= hat
> they are not exactly the same! It's better not to try to translate= English
> concepts directly into Lojban. It's much better to understand how = things
> work in Lojban and then try to use them to express what you want to sa= y.
>
> =A0If you're just asking for personal pronouns the first and secon= d person is
> covered by:
>
> =A0{mi} -> me (the speaker)
> =A0{do} -> you =A0(the listener)
> =A0{ko} -> you (imperative)
> =A0{do'o} -> you and others but not me
> =A0{mi'o} -> you and me but not others
> =A0{ma'a} -> me, you and others
> =A0{mi'a} -> me and others but not you
>
> For third person one uses the assignable pro-sumti {ko'V} and {fo&= #39;V} or a
> the first letter of the sumti you want to refer to.
>
> I saw a dog. it was running -> {mi viska lo gerku goi ko'a .i k= o'a bajra}
> I saw a dog. it was running -> {mi viska lo gerku .i gy. bajra}
>
> co'o mu'o mi'e la remod
>
>
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>
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> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Annie <park.an...@asb.g= aggle.net> wrote:
> > How do you make a word possessive in Lojban? Also, what are the p= ronouns
> > in Lojban?
>
> > Sent from my iPod
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