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On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

> Well see, I have an IPod and Refreshabraille. That's the braille display.
> I actually have speech off, and the actual words "left brace" or "right
> brace" come up. That's why I have trouble knowing if that's the symbols o=
r
> the words.
>

Except when we're also talking about them, which we've never done before
now, it's always the symbol.

I didn't know braille didn't have a configuration for the symbol itself. I
find it odd that it actually spells it out to you.

In any case, on these boards, at least, if you see text like:

left brace mi nelci lo plise right brace,

just remember that everything between "left brace" and "right brace" is the
Lojban we are talking about.


> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Kevin Reid <kpreid@switchb.org> wrote:
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> > On Nov 24, 2012, at 14:55, Annie wrote:
> >
> >> Then what's all that stuff about left-brace meaning "is similar to"?
> >
> > From the footer on your messages which says =93This Email was sent by a
> student at School for the Blind=94, I guess that you might be using a
> text-to-speech system. Perhaps it speaks the words =93left brace=94 or =
=93right
> brace=94 when it encounters a brace symbol, such as these: { }.
> >
> > Those symbols are being used to quote actual Lojban words, like this:
> {simsa}. That was the Lojban word =93simsa=94, in braces; the word means
> something like =93is similar to=94.
> >
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Annie <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:park.annie@asb.gaggle.net" target=3D"_blank"=
>park.annie@asb.gaggle.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">
Well see, I have an IPod and Refreshabraille. That&#39;s the braille displa=
y. I actually have speech off, and the actual words &quot;left brace&quot; =
or &quot;right brace&quot; come up. That&#39;s why I have trouble knowing i=
f that&#39;s the symbols or the words.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Except when we&#39;re also talking about them, which =
we&#39;ve never done before now, it&#39;s always the symbol.<br><br>I didn&=
#39;t know braille didn&#39;t have a configuration for the symbol itself. I=
 find it odd that it actually spells it out to you.<br>
<br>In any case, on these boards, at least, if you see text like:<br><br>le=
ft brace mi nelci lo plise right brace, <br><br>just remember that everythi=
ng between &quot;left brace&quot; and &quot;right brace&quot; is the Lojban=
 we are talking about.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

Sent from my iPod<br>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Kevin Reid &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kpreid@switch=
b.org">kpreid@switchb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; On Nov 24, 2012, at 14:55, Annie wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Then what&#39;s all that stuff about left-brace meaning &quot;is s=
imilar to&quot;?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From the footer on your messages which says =93This Email was sent by =
a student at School for the Blind=94, I guess that you might be using a tex=
t-to-speech system. Perhaps it speaks the words =93left brace=94 or =93righ=
t brace=94 when it encounters a brace symbol, such as these: { }.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; Those symbols are being used to quote actual Lojban words, like this: =
{simsa}. That was the Lojban word =93simsa=94, in braces; the word means so=
mething like =93is similar to=94.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Kevin Reid =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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