On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

after any of you give Lojban examples, could you guys translate them into E= nglish?

On this list, we usually do, but if one of us = forgets to, you're more than welcome to ask us to do so.
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I don't know a whole lot of Lojban. This= really is the right place for me. By the way, about not comparing English = with Lojban, how else am I supposed to understand the concepts if I don'= ;t compare with something?

A lot of things in Lojban don't match up to Engli= sh and vice-versa, which is why it's not a good idea to base your learn= ing of Lojban by comparing it.

For example, Lojban does not have nou= ns, verbs, adjectives, etc., it has only gismu, which can act as any of tho= se. For example, {bajra} can be a noun: {lo bajra} "a runner", or= a verb: {mi bajra} "I run", an adjective: {mi bajra klama} "= ;I running type-of go".

Because of this, it's much, much better to learn Lojban from scratc= h, without bringing the concepts of whatever language(s) you know into the = mix, for the simple reason that those concepts will only hurt your understa= nding in the long run.

If you haven't already I suggest checking out the learning material= s for brand-new learners.

The first thing you should read is definit= ely "What is Lojban?", which gives a basic overview of the language= .

Next there's "Google Wave lessons", which goes over much more of the= language and, though currently incomplete, is an updating of the official = textbook.

Then there's the official textbook, "Lojban for Beginners<= /a>", which though slightly outdated covers everything you need to be = conversationally fluent in Lojban. Just keep in mind that, where LfB and GW= disagree, GW is correct.

Finally, there's the CLL= , which has everything about the language, hence its name, "The Comple= te Lojban Language". This one is also a bit outdated, and is being wor= ked on to bring it up to date as we speak, so again, where CLL and GW disag= ree, GW is correct.

There's much, much more, and you can see the full list of learning = materials on the Lojban.org website at "Learning".

I can't vouch for the suit= ability of any of these materials for a blind learner- to the best of my kn= owledge, we've never had one. With that in mind, if anything is less th= an clear to you, feeel free to ask us for clarification, and if you have an= y suggestions for how to make Lojban easier for blind people, please let us= know. I'm certain I speak for all of us when I say we will be glad to = give you any help you need.
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