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Some concepts correspond; others correspond only roughly; others don't
correspond at all. This applies to almost any dissimilar pair of languages.

In the case of the Lojban-English pairing, I'd say most things fall into
the second category. For example, the notion of a "selbri" isn't that far
from the notion of an English "verb", with the main distinction being that
in English words are verbs, while in Lojban words (and phrases) act as
selbri, in addition to doing other things. The same applies to sumti/nouns.
Similarly, place structure up to 2 places is essentially how English works.
That is, transitive verbs are "two place selbri" and intransitive verbs are
"one place selbri". English, unlike Lojban, creates most of its more
complicated relationships using prepositions and multiple clauses; the main
counterexample I can think of is "give", such as "I give the boy the box."

For this reason I think the best way to learn Lojban as an English speaker
(and probably as a speaker of most languages) is to learn how the pure
Lojban terms are similar to and different from their approximate English
counterparts, and then use those as you study and discuss the language.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a .i .a'o mi sidju ta'i lo nu cusku de'u

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

> after any of you give Lojban examples, could you guys translate them into
> English? I don't know a whole lot of Lojban. This really is the right place
> for me. By the way, about not comparing English with Lojban, how else am I
> supposed to understand the concepts if I don't compare with something?
>
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Some concepts correspond; others correspond only roughly; others don&#39;t =
correspond at all. This applies to almost any dissimilar pair of languages.=
<br><br>In the case of the Lojban-English pairing, I&#39;d say most things =
fall into the second category. For example, the notion of a &quot;selbri&qu=
ot; isn&#39;t that far from the notion of an English &quot;verb&quot;, with=
 the main distinction being that in English words are verbs, while in Lojba=
n words (and phrases) act as selbri, in addition to doing other things. The=
 same applies to sumti/nouns. Similarly, place structure up to 2 places is =
essentially how English works. That is, transitive verbs are &quot;two plac=
e selbri&quot; and intransitive verbs are &quot;one place selbri&quot;. Eng=
lish, unlike Lojban, creates most of its more complicated relationships usi=
ng prepositions and multiple clauses; the main counterexample I can think o=
f is &quot;give&quot;, such as &quot;I give the boy the box.&quot; <br>
<br>For this reason I think the best way to learn Lojban as an English spea=
ker (and probably as a speaker of most languages) is to learn how the pure =
Lojban terms are similar to and different from their approximate English co=
unterparts, and then use those as you study and discuss the language.<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a .i .a&#39;o mi sidju ta&#39;i lo nu cu=
sku de&#39;u<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:33=
 PM, Annie <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:park.annie@asb.gaggle.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">park.annie@asb.gaggle.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">after any of you give Lojban examples, could=
 you guys translate them into English? I don&#39;t know a whole lot of Lojb=
an. This really is the right place for me. By the way, about not comparing =
English with Lojban, how else am I supposed to understand the concepts if I=
 don&#39;t compare with something?<br>

<br>
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