Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:37346) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TdYgc-0004JO-6K; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:51:52 -0800 Received: by mail-gg0-f189.google.com with SMTP id q1sf7146094ggm.16 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:51:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=00yHYhYUHMXFl5QJ3/IjPMSN3/cUyFNmq/Cabc7FnYo=; b=RcYoMtDVyzNDw+kSUYOinZR+zXExTXAaiC5zsHh9RyKpE4yA5gDNF1RbFBeD1ALkwX qerDuPZdedAI43YUvO1UZu0MVrzxn91FM5AJeTJDpFk/dza59CpO5NRK0j1uP2Hm2BE4 ENvEY148GBKC7a6dkp+D+vLlK3R1cCshJcCJXZYvSalHBocxbPnmftxS/NzC9bNRRf3H /f7lf8jAKtkIc1zG7pA6GmavOig+fkQmgKu4+EpqunLD6N0UCelR36KIYTi/teRrJpqK kH//MNI/tSZzUCjCE/qE8A58CRhRnJDhs260qHlIQcmwuwowOAERIzvz/ekDtX2K7aaE lDqg== Received: by 10.49.96.196 with SMTP id du4mr2768758qeb.37.1354074699354; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.71.142 with SMTP id v14ls2595345qeu.30.gmail; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.138.232 with SMTP id a68mr11946284yhj.28.1354074698207; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.138.232 with SMTP id a68mr11946282yhj.28.1354074698196; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i27si1437525yhe.4.2012.11.27.19.51.37; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D7615610 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:51:37 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] zo braile Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:51:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1457210.DJSy22tii9@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-32-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <1376458.ShreGqI8Iq@caracal> <2046694.Jy3urARx3F@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 14:14:56 Anton Golov wrote: > braile can't be a gismu for it as it doesn't obey the gismu format (CCVCV > or CVCCV). What about pecban (or pecbau), a combination of touch and > language? That would be "pecybau", and the type-3 would be "bangrbraile" or "banrbraile", but Braille isn't a language, it's a family of writing systems. Knowing French Braille doesn't help much with reading Hungarian Braille, for someone who doesn't know Hungarian. Knowing English Braille and spoken Korean, one would have a hard time reading Korean Braille, as the encoding of letters is completely different. There is a tactile language, which could be called "pecybau". It's a variant of sign language. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.