Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:51672) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tda4v-0004dz-N5; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:21:06 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id p16sf4585845vcq.16 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vRY+YAB7lk4cBPxxpKyA4iu89dwnMC5ruVvFlJCdTYI=; b=OaL2iQ047zKoawKU4XFecZNBrWORKEOIGJgtvktYqqvh+Zwo+exBc2gCtVhKw1ua9W DIvEAdiIrkC/MwlHFtrpZUDYFcAVA5L63XWOL2bRMjLybxdjtDS3VKm9j60S6HX6U7LQ m5BV/bp5n9ZdavYPeukV+5gRuCHt6AQtI/38Kyiq2X5Y/LXXbjXsrGKyPT7YES0oFm5+ q+0xijUfhygU05H4OOx015Qr+TUIDTrW8CFgd3lYVsWDq38rnCzOUcdeuBJUAaVj6wYi PZdE04JWjTTzMAdgAvFCbHYKOzsr1wpQ9zZDlF+ncNfYGBMSNPOEzjZOJQza4bK4n7BP KwMw== Received: by 10.50.108.200 with SMTP id hm8mr6751545igb.10.1354080050649; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.173.4 with SMTP id bg4ls4151444igc.12.canary; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.181.233 with SMTP id dz9mr16506913igc.1.1354080050032; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.181.233 with SMTP id dz9mr16506911igc.1.1354080050007; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f42.google.com (mail-oa0-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s15si462955igi.1.2012.11.27.21.20.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.42; Received: by mail-oa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id j1so12197203oag.15 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.240.109 with SMTP id vz13mr1833095obc.81.1354080049717; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.94.71 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2976270.MzV4NbqH6W@caracal> References: <3AD9ACF2-9875-4BC8-86C1-65D29ADB8226@asb.gaggle.net> <1813213.3IIWNj8jIR@caracal> <2976270.MzV4NbqH6W@caracal> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:20:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Possessives From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93a15815c602c04cf8754b9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae93a15815c602c04cf8754b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 18:35:18 Michael Turniansky wrote: > > Which does bring in an interesting philosophic question (which maybe > > Annie was alluding to): If you used vo'a in that sentence, what would it > > refer to? la djan? le bruna be la lizbet (which is what I assume you > meant > > to write, not "brata") or both? ("fa la djan. klama le ckule fa le bruna > pe > > la lizbet. lo zdani be vo'a") But that's outside the scope of a > beginner's > > list. > > Yes of course "bruna". "brata" is Tok Pisin. I consider the referent of > "vo'a" > in that sentence unclear. > Doesn't a double-FA evaluate to something like {la .djan. ju'e le brata pe la .lizbet. klama le ckule}? I'm not certain that's the right connective, btw. > > Pierre > -- > ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Pierre Abbat <= span dir=3D"ltr"><phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 18:35:18 Michael Turniansky= wrote:
> =A0 Which does bring in an interesting philosophic question (which may= be
> Annie was alluding to): If you used vo'a in that sentence, what wo= uld it
> refer to? la djan? le bruna be la lizbet (which is what I assume you m= eant
> to write, not "brata") or both? ("fa la djan. klama le = ckule fa le bruna pe
> la lizbet. lo zdani be vo'a") =A0But that's outside the s= cope of a beginner's
> list.

Yes of course "bruna". "brata" is Tok Pisin. I co= nsider the referent of "vo'a"
in that sentence unclear.

Doesn't a double-FA = evaluate to something like {la .djan. ju'e le brata pe la .lizbet. klam= a le ckule}? I'm not certain that's the right connective, btw.
=A0

Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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