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On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 18:35:18 Michael Turniansky wrote:
>> >   Which does bring in an interesting philosophic question (which maybe
>> > Annie was alluding to): If you used vo'a in that sentence, what would it
>> > refer to? la djan? le bruna be la lizbet (which is what I assume you
>> meant
>> > to write, not "brata") or both? ("fa la djan. klama le ckule fa le
>> bruna pe
>> > la lizbet. lo zdani be vo'a")  But that's outside the scope of a
>> beginner's
>> > list.
>>
>> Yes of course "bruna". "brata" is Tok Pisin. I consider the referent of
>> "vo'a"
>> in that sentence unclear.
>>
>
> Doesn't a double-FA evaluate to something like {la .djan. ju'e le brata pe
> la .lizbet. klama le ckule}? I'm not certain that's the right connective,
> btw.
>
>

  I would agree with that.  I think it's kind of ironic to express
uncertainty of a a word with vague meaning, though.  Doesn't vagueness
subsume uncertainty?
                   --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at=
 12:20 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
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cc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:16 =
PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org"=
 target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
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<div>On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 18:35:18 Michael Turniansky wrote:<br>
&gt; =A0 Which does bring in an interesting philosophic question (which may=
be<br>
&gt; Annie was alluding to): If you used vo&#39;a in that sentence, what wo=
uld it<br>
&gt; refer to? la djan? le bruna be la lizbet (which is what I assume you m=
eant<br>
&gt; to write, not &quot;brata&quot;) or both? (&quot;fa la djan. klama le =
ckule fa le bruna pe<br>
&gt; la lizbet. lo zdani be vo&#39;a&quot;) =A0But that&#39;s outside the s=
cope of a beginner&#39;s<br>
&gt; list.<br>
<br>
</div>Yes of course &quot;bruna&quot;. &quot;brata&quot; is Tok Pisin. I co=
nsider the referent of &quot;vo&#39;a&quot;<br>
in that sentence unclear.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>Doesn&#39;t a doub=
le-FA evaluate to something like {la .djan. ju&#39;e le brata pe la .lizbet=
. klama le ckule}? I&#39;m not certain that&#39;s the right connective, btw=
.<br>
=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 I would agree with that=
. =A0I think it&#39;s kind of ironic to express uncertainty of a a word wit=
h vague meaning, though. =A0Doesn&#39;t vagueness subsume uncertainty?</div=
><div>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div>=A0</div></div><=
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