Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:43873) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TeTWW-0005lt-Qt; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:33:13 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f189.google.com with SMTP id f16sf687213ghb.16 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:33:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=liNMjz1llj8+9JQ9ld10KLkiJK5jYTjOTkpijcJMoQ4=; b=uyMo2qfZnD7lbnZo5tjq8VBiOVjpU2Cp1uaiE22/t/Mygs2EPm/zkOquRZ/pIk6g5t HtHUkz8g33okykcDOcW1GvWaAFaL7Vfz050bbG7sQW8moQq1hhx3WAS9eWQi/KGeDYNG cxBV1RY5DNNBZMGyUfbmMGmeG3rWwAIzmenk7MLIuxVAlqc+RAxzthbbNP6eaIfXTAER VAymI7ux2Rz84zMnEZazVIAiKoNCHAHVtJxxgqYL2/OAqZObGuQEsz18cJyTpR0uN478 C/xenw4gIAp8N0PYRfhp7kh16AioJZKTaQmeJM8D7sS29/PIIhYrH6kHlVnETwwyL2B1 PgQQ== Received: by 10.49.58.238 with SMTP id u14mr577562qeq.13.1354293182166; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.5.232 with SMTP id v8ls455286qev.76.gmail; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.58.140 with SMTP id r12mr591190qeq.35.1354293180921; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:33:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:33:00 -0800 (PST) From: jongausib To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4264971.qkT2t5vedG@caracal> References: <1376458.ShreGqI8Iq@caracal> <50B54110.6060208@plasmatix.com> <4264971.qkT2t5vedG@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] zo braile MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_227_15363346.1354293180337" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_227_15363346.1354293180337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 brailyle'u is not a valid lujvo. You can't have a fu'ivla and a gismu as a veljvo. In that case you'll have to use "zei". For "braile zei lerfu" or just "braile" you can use any place structure, but something similar to that of "lerfu" would be nice, so my proposal is: braile: "x1 is a braille letter/symbol in braille alphabet/character-set x2 representing x3" (I know it's almost the same as the one Pierre suggested but without the tersu'i "encoding x3" (omitted to make the lujvo more consistent compared to "lerfu")). You can surely add the place "encoding" in some other way via modal etc. mu'omi'e jongausib Den torsdagen den 29:e november 2012 kl. 21:33:14 UTC+1 skrev Pierre Abbat: > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 23:39:12 selpa'i wrote: > > I think that's good. I thought about this today and my main concern was > > whether or not this would cause problems with saying "I am studying > > braille" or "I like braille" etc because > > > > mi nelci lo braile > > I like things written in braille. > > > > But the intended meaning can easily be achieved by making a lujvo > > "brailyle'u" ("x1 is a braille letter/symbol in braille > > alphabet/character-set x2 for encoding x3 representing x4") or something > > like that. > > > > lo brailyle'u mi melbi > > Braille is beautiful to me. > > > > What do you think? > > For "I am studying braille" you could use an abstractor: "mi tadni lo su'u > braile" or "mi tadni lo si'o braile". Or you could say "la .brail." (which > could also refer to the inventor of the system). > > Pierre > -- > gau do li'i co'e kei do > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/lcrHRekzm0AJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_227_15363346.1354293180337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable brailyle'u is not a valid lujvo. You can't have a fu'ivla and a gismu as a = veljvo. In that case you'll have to use "zei".

For "braile zei lerfu= " or just "braile" you can use any place structure, but something similar t= o that of "lerfu" would be nice, so my proposal is:

braile: "x1 is a= braille letter/symbol in braille alphabet/character-set x2 representing x3= " (I know it's almost the same as the one Pierre suggested but without the = tersu'i "encoding x3" (omitted to make the lujvo more consistent compared t= o "lerfu")). You can surely add the place "encoding" in some other way via = modal etc.

mu'omi'e jongausib

Den torsdagen den 29:e november= 2012 kl. 21:33:14 UTC+1 skrev Pierre Abbat:
On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 23:39:12 selpa'i wrote:
> I think that's good. I thought about this today and my main concer= n was
> whether or not this would cause problems with saying "I am studyin= g
> braille" or "I like braille" etc because
>=20
> mi nelci lo braile
> I like things written in braille.
>=20
> But the intended meaning can easily be achieved by making a lujvo
> "brailyle'u" ("x1 is a braille letter/symbol in braille
> alphabet/character-set x2 for encoding x3 representing x4") or som= ething
> like that.
>=20
> lo brailyle'u mi melbi
> Braille is beautiful to me.
>=20
> What do you think?

For "I am studying braille" you could use an abstractor: "mi tadni lo s= u'u=20
braile" or "mi tadni lo si'o braile". Or you could say "la .brail." (wh= ich=20
could also refer to the inventor of the system).

Pierre
--=20
gau do li'i co'e kei do

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