Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:60302) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TeTdl-0005oJ-82; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:40:46 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id wz12sf730173pbc.16 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:40:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VwCNYwmbZBkyKLq6XBGnOErLcqbizNO3iKKHcAqZihQ=; b=U89BUW8yawSUGMK8TBOa3q2U3rUsYFy4IpgW/Gm0DHiPGH1EuIpeRlhDEJsdCaSlX9 cSiytAjaJ1yH+1mVs4X6WHviSiGplYdIJdmlqYrNg/hfdZ0muE755pH1hNgZ5UKtu9Cm 2lpJOh10i3VOBM2LGMhEA78YkIQuEwf/Ab+J/B+4gH7R1s2ONF2npX+u2Cs/mCv85x60 xKtLujioa5jtLUwCt/SnHymG9yKxF7bSBFVeg3SMO57eiHKOvsFyOraLciDzR0ftKsgj JWEsQuVBoLk7j7yNZ0J8CZius6gjyQ2goOv/3NN4jSuHoMTHJ/N9IOHZA6u/QPg8D/1n DZng== Received: by 10.50.11.196 with SMTP id s4mr2234831igb.9.1354293630531; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:40:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.41.225 with SMTP id i1ls950877igl.34.gmail; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.72.193 with SMTP id f1mr1680418igv.0.1354293629716; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.72.193 with SMTP id f1mr1680417igv.0.1354293629702; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com. [209.68.5.17]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id ge7si598001igb.0.2012.11.30.08.40.28; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.17; Received: (qmail 24064 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2012 16:40:27 -0000 Received: from 93.220.65.107 (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (93.220.65.107) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2012 16:40:27 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 93.220.65.107 Message-ID: <50B8E17E.50003@plasmatix.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:40:30 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] zo braile References: <1376458.ShreGqI8Iq@caracal> <50B54110.6060208@plasmatix.com> <4264971.qkT2t5vedG@caracal> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / .i la jongausib cu cusku di'e > brailyle'u is not a valid lujvo. You can't have a fu'ivla and a gismu as > a veljvo. Yes, you can. The PEG morphology gives every fu'ivla at least one rafsi.=20 You can add 'y or remove the last vowel and replace it with y. The first=20 method always works, but the second one works too in this case. (That=20 means we could equally well say "braile'yle'u" instead") > braile: "x1 is a braille letter/symbol in braille alphabet/character-set > x2 representing x3" (I know it's almost the same as the one Pierre > suggested) It's very different. Pierre suggested "x1 is written in braile" not "x1=20 is a letter of the braile alphabet". If braile is taken to mean the=20 former, then a lujvo like brailyle'u will be needed to refer to the=20 actual letters of the braile alphabet. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da'i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.