Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:61029) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TeVIt-0006OH-MI; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:21 -0800 Received: by mail-ie0-f189.google.com with SMTP id c11sf759202ieb.16 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=sTz1EZ3aZSZXpJTJaFVbvdi4tAODgkyNGJwc5LnUNnA=; b=pWhurxT6xKMat6iZkzI75RNUdcCqqphuoLB0j8zo2Y8NHdNR5RfdjSyD6lH/WXlHpC EfhvdP31fylHPMfkvVZbcWCGcX2n7DamdkbuzPfkSJm13uYERpjjR573042r50domUAg qR4+/gJETdGXyNM9l/wbZz/94FwOu81DfI76EjuspmnY3bYTs2w7ZTuQoigfSmdZ8Nap eGUhzFhBKRVlrp+xEB3KZCJQjGeuHTREUM1KCcgLTA3gyz4NWg+h12eFbyHZaepzBKL+ AqqDYZ0tT/qppvpNzg40PKWxMhOFN/WKBjXEwQKkxnL/igljrooT5Gg3Ce02zgLLtq9Y LV+w== Received: by 10.50.45.226 with SMTP id q2mr12374427igm.0.1354300025106; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.202.97 with SMTP id kh1ls1780igc.11.canary; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.55.66 with SMTP id u2mr1717724icg.33.1354300023663; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.55.66 with SMTP id u2mr1717723icg.33.1354300023619; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x4si1392903igm.0.2012.11.30.10.27.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id eh20so693827obb.9 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.169.234 with SMTP id ah10mr1789564oec.12.1354300023426; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.186.74 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4DF54678-03A8-4716-9F3B-DEC8A3497E6C@asb.gaggle.net> References: <3AD9ACF2-9875-4BC8-86C1-65D29ADB8226@asb.gaggle.net> <13839108.GRJMR0lgSH@caracal> <4DF54678-03A8-4716-9F3B-DEC8A3497E6C@asb.gaggle.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:27:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Possessives From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54d4d8ed0cccf04cfba8bed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54d4d8ed0cccf04cfba8bed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, a selbri is just the description of relationship between one or more things (sumti (arguments)). It often ROUGHLY corresponds to a verb in natural languages. Just like in English "Pierre is a good friend of Annie" or "I will go to the mall", "is a good friend of" or "will go to" describes the relationships between Pierre and Annie or me and the mall in more than one word, lojban does the same. "la pier. cu pendo la anis." is "Pierre is a friend of Annie" And "la pier cu mutce pendo la anis" would be "Pierre is a good friend of Annie". The selbri in the first is "pendo", and in the second "mutce pendo" "I go to the mall" is "mi klama lo zarci" while "I will go to the mall" is "mi ba klama lo zarci" The selbri in the first is "klama", in the second "ba klama". --gejyspa On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Annie wrote: > How can two words be one selbri? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > On Friday, November 30, 2012 09:00:23 hugesmile@hotmail.com wrote: > >> How does {se / te / ve / xe} affect {vo'a}? > >> For example, let's say in your sentence, we use {se prami}, and move > some > >> stuff around. > >> > >> Which is correct? > >> > >> "lo ponse be vo'e cu se prami lo mlatu poi vo'a citkygau" > >> or > >> "lo ponse be vo'a cu se prami lo mlatu poi vo'e citkygau" > >> or > >> something else? > > > > The first. The second means that someone owns himself and the cat feeds > > herself. The selbri is "se prami". > > > > Pierre > > -- > > lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=A0 =A0Well, a selbri is just the description of relations= hip between one or more things (sumti (arguments)). =A0It often ROUGHLY cor= responds to a verb in natural languages. =A0Just =A0like in English "P= ierre is a good friend of Annie" or "I will go to the mall",= "is a good friend of" or "will go to" describes the re= lationships between Pierre and Annie or me and the mall in more than one wo= rd, lojban does the same. =A0"la pier. cu pendo la anis." is &quo= t;Pierre is a friend of Annie" =A0And "la pier cu=A0
mutce pendo la anis" would be "Pierre is a good friend of Annie&q= uot;. =A0The selbri in the first is "pendo", and in the second &q= uot;mutce pendo" =A0"I go to the mall" is "mi klama lo = zarci" while "I will go to the mall" is "mi ba klama lo= zarci" The selbri in the first is "klama", in the second &q= uot;ba klama".

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Annie = <park.ann= ie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
How can two words be one selbri?

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Friday, November 30, 2012 09:00:23 hugesmile@hotmail.com wrote:
>> How does {se / te / ve / xe} affect {vo'a}?
>> For example, let's say in your sentence, we use {se prami}, an= d move some
>> stuff around.
>>
>> Which is correct?
>>
>> "lo ponse be vo'e cu se prami lo mlatu poi vo'a citky= gau"
>> =A0 =A0 =A0or
>> "lo ponse be vo'a cu se prami lo mlatu poi vo'e citky= gau"
>> =A0 =A0 or
>> something else?
>
> The first. The second means that someone owns himself and the cat feed= s
> herself. The selbri is "se prami".
>
> Pierre
> --
> lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
>
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