On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

Having the full stop or not makes a difference in th= e meaning ofthe wordhis

No, denpa bu h= as nothing to do with a word's meaning. It's use is purely grammati= cal, as it serves to unambiguously delineate words.
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On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Mic= hael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0 No, you misun= derstand. It's not "a word that has a full stop in it". =A0It= IS two words. The fact that they are written together with a full stop doe= sn't change that fact. =A0We can write "la djan. klama lo zarci mu= 'i lo nu vo'a se jersi .ii" as "ladjan.klama lozarci mu&#= 39;ilonuvo'asejersi.ii' and it's still completely unambiguous (= although a pain for humans to read) with the full stops indicating the one = MUST pause there, otherwise it means something else.

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Annie &= lt;park.anni= e@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

Oo, I mean why don= 9;t you take the full stop out and put the space? Besides, how do you prono= unce words that have a full stop in themhis When I try to pause within the = word, it sounds like there needs to be an apostrophe or something?=A0

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On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:00 PM, = Jonathan Jones <e= yeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
Why would you want to elide two words together like that, when you can just= space between them?

Firstly, it's not eliding= . The pauses are required by the grammar of Lojban, and {na.e} takes one le= ss character than {na .e}. Furthermore, not having the space serves to visu= ally group the words together, subtly signalling to readers that the two wo= rds are linked. With {na.e}, for example, the {na} modifies the {.e}, and i= n fact, the {na} makes no sense without the {.e}, and the {.e} means someth= ing else entirely without the {na}.

A .e B =3D A and B: "1 .e 1" =3D 1
A na.e B =3D !A and B, = (not A) and B: "1 na.e 1" =3D "0 .e 1" =3D 0
A .enai= B =3D A and !B, A and (not B): "1 .enai 1" =3D "1 .e 0"= ; =3D 0
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On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 13:18:39 Annie wrote:
>> All that makes since, the full stop separating one word from a wor= d that
>> begins a vowel and all. However, I've seen it in the middle of= words
>> before. What's that for? Sent from my iPod
>
> It's actually separating two words, but they're written run to= gether. For
> example:
>
> la .kot.divu=E1r. na.e la .pyd. xazdo
> C=F4te d'Ivoire not-and Tibet Asian
> C=F4te d'Ivoire is not Asian, but Tibet is.
>
> "kot.divuar" is two words, but a single name. "na.e&quo= t; is two words, but a
> single conjunction, and the second word begins with a vowel. ("na= je" is also
> two words, and logically the same conjunction, but it connects a diffe= rent kind
> of phrase.)
>
> ta'e la .kot.divu=E1r. du la xantyde'i xaskoi
>
> Pierre
> --
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> li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci
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