Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:49537) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tevsf-0006dE-Je; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:50:02 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id xn12sf1423772obc.16 for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:49:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:subject:references:from:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-gaggle-info :x-gaggle-sender-ref-id:x-gaggle-blocked-patterns :x-gaggle-aps-scores:x-gaggle-aps-scores:x-gaggle-ref-id :x-gaggle-unblocked-by:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=keDDBci9gHzbiQnWvQPdzMPY20+3DLtRxWmsYVh5lts=; b=enHv2Oj3H3jmciP5Hu62MoptV37OXVoDXMpXl9P+JgxeyaYNyrp56ZuDvKAKTxRcPf DREXFQsofnHNrhGh5UU+9camhhRq/Qad218cr9T1CsqdaWYCYCGjBH8XzH38m+xdtH1r NXO6vCua9jhJQF791b4FNQD5U2oNTCPU97N1gnr869YpAXS8fcpPDK69x9ucv+Iyvcye +sjJgY7sMMUlnJzOQTva0WEoDIvDVk0EKwS75og/l9TL36aGrfCRihpRU0CtgAFeGOJV 87LxzGAb2M4qAQY5vjTwjPV5R5vpdp89xdHhEAcWukPDYQZymRDdSfJUwbtw71dzxRLx a+xQ== Received: by 10.49.116.1 with SMTP id js1mr1419565qeb.19.1354402187109; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:49:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.18.230 with SMTP id z6ls1057490qed.6.gmail; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.134.16 with SMTP id r16mr3662878yhi.48.1354402186550; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.134.16 with SMTP id r16mr3662876yhi.48.1354402186539; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx9-out.gaggle.net ([208.81.237.189]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id i7si585471yhj.6.2012.12.01.14.49.44; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of park.annie@asb.gaggle.net designates 208.81.237.189 as permitted sender) client-ip=208.81.237.189; Received: (qmail 4482 invoked by uid 358); 1 Dec 2012 22:49:44 -0000 Received: from [10.0.32.2] (HELO archive8.gaggle.net) (10.0.32.2) by mx9.gaggle.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:49:44 -0800 Received: from [98.81.96.249] (HELO [10.0.1.6]) (98.81.96.249) (smtp-auth username Park.Annie@asb.gaggle.net, mechanism plain) by mx2.gaggle.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:47:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] zo braile References: <1376458.ShreGqI8Iq@caracal> <50B54110.6060208@plasmatix.com> <4264971.qkT2t5vedG@caracal> <50B8E17E.50003@plasmatix.com> From: Annie X-Mailer: iPod Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: <50B8E17E.50003@plasmatix.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 14:47:38 -0800 (PST) To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Gaggle-Info: *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. X-Gaggle-Sender-Ref-ID: 4ba428aeedef92d150fe54d8d302771cccde05ddb113469a2d6254c6cec4fc9bbc2578a966bb9bf50d51b51e51df6829abbe4f81370bfcd5781f957816d3137f X-Gaggle-Blocked-Patterns: \bfus?\b X-Gaggle-APS-Scores: false -9.0 0 0 2 http://groups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Flojban-beginners%3Fhl%3Den. null X-Gaggle-APS-Scores: false -9.0 0 0 2 http://groups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Flojban null X-Gaggle-Ref-ID: 01406f99aeab614f1233657a7125ce952025cf199a2e4275 X-Gaggle-Unblocked-By: Sarah Hinton, userid [18478534], at Sat Dec 01 14:49:43 PST 2012 X-Original-Sender: park.annie@asb.gaggle.net X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of park.annie@asb.gaggle.net designates 208.81.237.189 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=park.annie@asb.gaggle.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / What's a fu'ivlahisa Sent from my iPod On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:40 AM, selpa'i wrote: > .i la jongausib cu cusku di'e >> brailyle'u is not a valid lujvo. You can't have a fu'ivla and a gismu as >> a veljvo. >=20 > Yes, you can. The PEG morphology gives every fu'ivla at least one rafsi. = You can add 'y or remove the last vowel and replace it with y. The first me= thod always works, but the second one works too in this case. (That means w= e could equally well say "braile'yle'u" instead") >=20 >> braile: "x1 is a braille letter/symbol in braille alphabet/character-set >> x2 representing x3" (I know it's almost the same as the one Pierre >> suggested) >=20 > It's very different. Pierre suggested "x1 is written in braile" not "x1 i= s a letter of the braile alphabet". If braile is taken to mean the former, = then a lujvo like brailyle'u will be needed to refer to the actual letters = of the braile alphabet. >=20 > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i >=20 > --=20 > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo >=20 > do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u > .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u > ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu > .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi > gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi > .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da'i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku >=20 >=20 > . >=20 >=20 > . >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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