Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:51819) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TfBbt-0003Fm-18; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:44 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o6sf1931713oag.16 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6K2TD+M/Pbh0BzTBgfukmoF7y++xSjagmA9aaA8VfNY=; b=t/wkKgh3FU00fQuBAs9bSPTBy+w/G+0ffb5KaY82Y9fClWllub+A0cLycbsY9rafAK ok9SjXCb6Q0Otrb3uF6Xxd+L2uzoUNdz4w4TrPKn+/Oow6fpQGv75n3EV05iL8IMW3B0 FS+37NPjsTq8kIW5vCiWjk5C4QZNoK9vxDS++b00ek0Sy4CzdF+BhjLmwynUrdo9SubQ M4HhWQlF8UHpXQ5xhx8PWtzfNQHXjVh+we1+R+UgBQZNpyevXqu3lMkb3e0cow2Boju/ w0k0RGL6xn7LPzIanlZIZUWQ64pCj4USqHfhkSfWO9zVKmSUS30qkGbemdZ9enxX3owS TVbg== Received: by 10.50.196.199 with SMTP id io7mr1280118igc.4.1354462650024; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.178.72 with SMTP id cw8ls1054214igc.39.gmail; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.172.68 with SMTP id m4mr5306925icz.1.1354462649515; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.172.68 with SMTP id m4mr5306922icz.1.1354462649497; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s15si552824igi.1.2012.12.02.07.37.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.41; Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so1741450oag.28 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.32.97 with SMTP id h1mr6220270oei.13.1354462649015; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 07:37:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EDD7486-E485-4F82-8773-F16146358A5A@asb.gaggle.net> References: <1376458.ShreGqI8Iq@caracal> <2C9188D0-A03F-4717-898E-58D986BCCA32@asb.gaggle.net> <2046694.Jy3urARx3F@caracal> <89693c69-382d-4dc3-91ce-52cc179914a4@googlegroups.com> <7A8621ED-F16C-438F-8AF2-14F62B122D7A@asb.gaggle.net> <4EDD7486-E485-4F82-8773-F16146358A5A@asb.gaggle.net> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:37:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] zo braile From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f16c0e5e3e04cfe06926 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb1f16c0e5e3e04cfe06926 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Annie wrote: > The fact that braile is a fu'ivla doesn't make it a gismu, does it? > No, gismu are gismu, fu'ivla are fu'ivla. They are two different types of brivla. (And yes, I know that's two tautologies.) You should really read the material that deals with this stuff before asking us. For example, it is quite easy to find out the meaning of Lojban words by using the online dictionary that is vlasisku ( http://vlasisku.lojban.org), and I'm pretty sure all the learning resources, as well as the CLL itself, describe the types of Lojban words- how they appear, how they're used, etc. Sent from my iPod > > On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Annie wrote: > >> I know this might be a late response, but braile can't be a gismu becaus= e >> it has more than 5 letters. >> > > As already mentioned, it's a fu'ivla. > > >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:32 PM, la gleki >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:14:56 PM UTC+4, Anton Golov wrote: >>> >>> braile can't be a gismu for it as it doesn't obey the gismu format >>> (CCVCV or CVCCV). What about pecban (or pecbau), a combination of touc= h >>> and language? >> >> >> but what's wrong with fu'ivla that is besides easily recognisable? >> >>> >>> >>> On 27 November 2012 05:10, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>>> On Monday, November 26, 2012 21:58:55 Annie wrote: >>>> > How do you pronounce "Ha=FAy"? I'm confused. What are you talking ab= out >>>> with >>>> > the braille stuff? >>>> >>>> It's "Ha=FCy", not "Ha=FAy". It's pronounced as three vowels: a as in >>>> father, u as >>>> in French su, ee as in see. The two dots on "u" are there because >>>> otherwise >>>> "au" would be pronounced as one vowel. >>>> >>>> =ABbraile=BB is a Lojban word I made up for "Braille", but I'm not sur= e of >>>> the >>>> place structure. >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> -- >>>> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.**com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginne...@** >>>> googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/VeASrNYuT0wJ. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
The fact that braile is a fu'ivla doesn't ma= ke it a gismu, does it?

No, gismu are = gismu, fu'ivla are fu'ivla. They are two different types of brivla.= (And yes, I know that's two tautologies.)

You should really read the material that deals with this stuff before a= sking us. For example, it is quite easy to find out the meaning of Lojban w= ords by using the online dictionary that is vlasisku (http://vlasisku.lojban.org), and I'm pretty sure = all the learning resources, as well as the CLL itself, describe the types o= f Lojban words- how they appear, how they're used, etc.

Sent from m= y iPod

On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Jon= athan Jones <eyeo= nus@gmail.com> wrote:



On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net<= /a>> wrote:
I know this might be a late response, but braile can= 't be a gismu because it has more than 5 letters.

As already mentioned, it's a fu'ivla.
=A0
Sent from my iPod


On Tuesday, November 27, 2= 012 5:14:56 PM UTC+4, Anton Golov wrote:
braile can't be a gismu for it as it doesn't obey the gismu format = (CCVCV or CVCCV). =A0What about pecban (or pecbau), a combination of touch = and language?

but what's wrong with fu&= #39;ivla that is besides easily recognisable?=A0


On 27 November 2012 05:10, Pierre Abbat <ph...= @bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Monday, November 26, 2012 21:58:55 A= nnie wrote:
> How do you pronounce "Ha=FAy"? I'm confused. What are yo= u talking about with
> the braille stuff?

It's "Ha=FCy", not "Ha=FAy". It's pronoun= ced as three vowels: a as in father, u as
in French su, ee as in see. The two dots on "u" are there because= otherwise
"au" would be pronounced as one vowel.

=ABbraile=BB is a Lojban word I made up for "Braille", but I'= m not sure of the
place structure.

Pierre
--
Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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