On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:17 AM, ianek <janek37= @gmail.com> wrote:

On 3 Gru, 05:15, Jonathan Jones <ey= eo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Annie <park.an...@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:=
> > How do you get "is dedicated to" out of "is relate= d to"?
>
> I'd like to know that myself.
>
> > Besides, someone was trying to say that a more-than-five-letter w= ord meaos
> > "dedicate". How is that possible, when it's not a g= ismu?
>
> I think you're confusing "brivla" and "gismu" = here. Firstly, gismu are not
> the only words in Lojban that mean something. Every native and most > borrowed words have some kind of meaning. Secondly, there are many
> different kinds of brivla besides gismu, tanru, lujvo, and fu'ivla= being
> the most common, but there are other types I don't feel like getti= ng into
> (, like the kind that use {me}).

I think you're confusing "brivla" and "selbri"= ; here. There are no
brivla besides gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla. tanru is not a word, so it'= ;s
not a predicate word.

Aye.
=A0

I also think that lojban-beginners is an awful place to start learning
Lojban. L4B or wave lessons would be much better, but I don't know
about their accessibility for blind people.

She sa= id previously that she's found as is reading L4B, but based on her ques= tions I don't think I believe her.
=A0

mu'o mi'e ianek

>

> selra'a is a lujvo formed from the rafsi o= f {se} (sel-) and {srana} (ra'a).
> {se} is a word meaning to switch the first and second places of the > immediately following gismu.
>
> So, if {srana} means "x1 pertains to/.../is about x2.", than= {se srana}
> (which is the same thing as {selra'a}) means "x1 is what x2 p= ertains
> to/.../is about."
>
> Again, vlasisku (http://vlasisku.lojban.org) is extremely useful when it
> comes to the meanings of words- that's its entire purpose for exis= tence,
> actually.
>
> As for {si'artersku}, that's formed from the rafsi for, respec= tively,
> sinma, te, and cusku, with the 'r' placed in there for grammat= ical reasons.
> I leave it as an exercise for you to figure out what it means, which i= s not
> at all difficult to do, as all you need to do is look up the meaning o= f the
> words.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Why do you need =A0two words that mean practically the same in Lo= jbanhis
> > Isn't that illogicalhis
>
> > Sent from my iPod
>

> > On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:05 AM, la gleki <= gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:52:54 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:30:39 AM UTC+4, aionys = wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:17 AM, tijlan <jbot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 1 December 2012 12:09, ianek <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> > This is just what {se srana} or {selra&#= 39;a} is.
>
> >>>>>> An about, a thematic focus, is more specific = than that. cfika2, for
> >>>>>> instance, may be as much relevant to cfika1 a= s cfika3 may be -- a work
> >>>>>> of fiction cu srana both its plot and its aut= hor (and possibly many
> >>>>>> other things). Consider:
>
> >>>>>> la .alis. cfika sera'a lo nixli
>
> >>>>>> This doesn't necessarily say that the plo= t revolves around a girl --
> >>>>>> it could as well be saying the work is dedica= ted to a girl.
>
> >>>>> I'm sorry, I don't see how anything based= on {srana} could possibly
> >>>>> mean "dedicated to". You'll have to= explain.
>
> >>>> Well, may be it's not that something is wrong wit= h {sera'a/pe/srana}
> >>>> but rather wrong usage and/or glossing.
>

> >>>> *srana x1 pertains to/is germane/relevant to/co= ncerns/is
> >>>> related/associated with/is about x2.*
> >>>> *ckini =A0x1 is related to/associated with/akin to x2= by relationship x3.

> >>>> *
>
> >>>> If we arbitrarily chose parts of those definitions we= 'd get

> >>>> * =A0srana x1 is relevant to x2

> >>>> =A0 ckini =A0= x1 is relevant to x2
> >>>> *
> >>>> which is nonsense.
>
> >>> ckini wouldn't be that. For one thing, you left out t= he x3, and for
> >>> another, it isn't "relevant", it's &quo= t;related". The Cold War isn't relevant
> >>> to WWII, but it is related (by being a direct result of i= t).
>
> >>>> If {srana} really gives us thematic role then all the= other "is
> >>>> relevant to" meanings can be assigned to {ckini/= seki'i}.
>
> >> Furthermore, your response does not show how one can get &quo= t;dedicated to"
> >> out of srana.
>
> > I can't explain tijlan's views.
> > For me "dedicated to..." is {tecu'u}, may be with a= shade of {sinma} (i.e.
> > fi'o sia'rtersku)
> > {finfriti} from jvs doesn't sound right for me (probably due = to polysemy
> > of "to dedicqte").
>
> >> --
> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pa= tfu do zo'o
> >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
> >> =A0--
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl= e Groups
> > "Lojban Beginners" group.
> > To view this discussion on the web visit
> >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginner= s/-/x2tg50HGg-oJ.
> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> > For more options, visit this group at
> >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= .
>
> > *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind.
>
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl= e Groups
> > "Lojban Beginners" group.
> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> > For more options, visit this group at
> >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= .
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo= 'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/g= roup/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.