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On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:36 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3 December 2012 04:15, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> How do you get "is dedicated to" out of "is related to"?
> >
> >
> > I'd like to know that myself.
>
> If I wrote a book in dedication to koha and made that explicit on a
> page, a link would have been created between the book and koha.
> Suppose koha is a high-profile celebrity and my book happens to be
> monumentally controversial for its own content; koha's manager doesn't
> appreciate the publicized unduly link and calls me demanding that {lo
> cukta co'u srana ko'a tai zo'e}, where {zo'e} refers to the fact that
> koha's name is on the book's particular page unrelated to the book's
> topic itself.
>
> mu'o
>

Not only is that example extremely contrived, it is also not an example of
srana being "dedicated to", and I highly doubt any manager would say "A
book is completed pertinent to ko'a in the obvious form" to yell at someone
for putting a name in a book. More likely they'd just say "Why is {name}'s
name in you book? I want it out, NOW!"

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:36 AM, tijlan <span di=
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<div class=3D"im">On 3 December 2012 04:15, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Annie &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:park.annie=
@asb.gaggle.net">park.annie@asb.gaggle.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; How do you get &quot;is dedicated to&quot; out of &quot;is related=
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&gt;<br>
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mu&#39;o<br></blockquote></div><br>Not only is that example extremely contr=
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d I highly doubt any manager would say &quot;A book is completed pertinent =
to ko&#39;a in the obvious form&quot; to yell at someone for putting a name=
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in you book? I want it out, NOW!&quot;<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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