Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:46161) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfz7d-0004DM-DM; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:54 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o6sf3501005oag.16 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=zB+JaPwJbHw5MogKIJGCl9suXyL7dUndvT2Rrg3x/og=; b=pIHGPzRCrXR+Tb4sOzQRaviU8Z3sQLxDA0/tH5SRfxV8f7Hsl6MjBHYcFmwXboEX4O MxMFiuJb048bMjRtAFtGp7xCFbFul4+TvOb8H9tXdRE7oYxAhIZomSh3QDOOy8yoadwp GW/012QysYa5vlJq4N3rpARS1WjMdYOwNK78cUwh9DvzKiJK9rDI1pWK2qdkBaWkronG 2mNU09YyZ1sAl0fbRIRrATp9dVuys77Q9aqOdqMnC5zC0y0HYhg8b0EMtKhZOAbCSPIe KVT2O0/G7Vusmqt3Zsg2SxfVVhQBLAlMf1ijiWuwyz60Hk50p/9he7sKXNEhxo1oRgMK NYLQ== Received: by 10.49.24.14 with SMTP id q14mr3256427qef.17.1354652973892; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.74.42 with SMTP id q10ls561615qev.65.gmail; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.225.134 with SMTP id rk6mr5470814vec.40.1354652972594; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.225.134 with SMTP id rk6mr5470813vec.40.1354652972583; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id es5si840689vdb.2.2012.12.04.12.29.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.176; Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id fo13so3616318vcb.21 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.70.83 with SMTP id k19mr10839616vdu.89.1354652972493; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.15.129 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <33272af0-7522-44d7-a040-e451bf851595@googlegroups.com> <3c1628ec-40a0-41fd-90a9-65e110d9ab0a@googlegroups.com> <96205a36-c08f-4ebe-877e-112c22a5aefc@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 20:29:32 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why no "about" brivla? From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 4 December 2012 10:12, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:36 AM, tijlan wrote: >> >> On 3 December 2012 04:15, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Annie wrote: >> >> >> >> How do you get "is dedicated to" out of "is related to"? >> > >> > >> > I'd like to know that myself. >> >> If I wrote a book in dedication to koha and made that explicit on a >> page, a link would have been created between the book and koha. >> Suppose koha is a high-profile celebrity and my book happens to be >> monumentally controversial for its own content; koha's manager doesn't >> appreciate the publicized unduly link and calls me demanding that {lo >> cukta co'u srana ko'a tai zo'e}, where {zo'e} refers to the fact that >> koha's name is on the book's particular page unrelated to the book's >> topic itself. >> >> mu'o > > > Not only is that example extremely contrived, it is also not an example of > srana being "dedicated to", and I highly doubt any manager would say "A book > is completed pertinent to ko'a in the obvious form" to yell at someone for > putting a name in a book. More likely they'd just say "Why is {name}'s name > in you book? I want it out, NOW!" Still, "x1 is dedicated to x2" is a kind of relation, just as "x1 plans x2 for process x3" (platu) is. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.