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On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4 December 2012 10:12, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:36 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3 December 2012 04:15, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> How do you get "is dedicated to" out of "is related to"?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'd like to know that myself.
> >>
> >> If I wrote a book in dedication to koha and made that explicit on a
> >> page, a link would have been created between the book and koha.
> >> Suppose koha is a high-profile celebrity and my book happens to be
> >> monumentally controversial for its own content; koha's manager doesn't
> >> appreciate the publicized unduly link and calls me demanding that {lo
> >> cukta co'u srana ko'a tai zo'e}, where {zo'e} refers to the fact that
> >> koha's name is on the book's particular page unrelated to the book's
> >> topic itself.
> >>
> >> mu'o
> >
> >
> > Not only is that example extremely contrived, it is also not an example
> of
> > srana being "dedicated to", and I highly doubt any manager would say "A
> book
> > is completed pertinent to ko'a in the obvious form" to yell at someone
> for
> > putting a name in a book. More likely they'd just say "Why is {name}'s
> name
> > in you book? I want it out, NOW!"
>
> Still, "x1 is dedicated to x2" is a kind of relation, just as "x1
> plans x2 for process x3" (platu) is.
>

Yes, but neither of those are srana.


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>
> mu'o
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, tijlan <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbotijlan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jboti=
jlan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On 4 December 2012 10:12, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:36 AM, tijlan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbotijla=
n@gmail.com">jbotijlan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 3 December 2012 04:15, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eye=
onus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Annie &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:p=
ark.annie@asb.gaggle.net">park.annie@asb.gaggle.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; How do you get &quot;is dedicated to&quot; out of &quot;i=
s related to&quot;?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;d like to know that myself.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; If I wrote a book in dedication to koha and made that explicit on =
a<br>
&gt;&gt; page, a link would have been created between the book and koha.<br=
>
&gt;&gt; Suppose koha is a high-profile celebrity and my book happens to be=
<br>
&gt;&gt; monumentally controversial for its own content; koha&#39;s manager=
 doesn&#39;t<br>
&gt;&gt; appreciate the publicized unduly link and calls me demanding that =
{lo<br>
&gt;&gt; cukta co&#39;u srana ko&#39;a tai zo&#39;e}, where {zo&#39;e} refe=
rs to the fact that<br>
&gt;&gt; koha&#39;s name is on the book&#39;s particular page unrelated to =
the book&#39;s<br>
&gt;&gt; topic itself.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; mu&#39;o<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Not only is that example extremely contrived, it is also not an exampl=
e of<br>
&gt; srana being &quot;dedicated to&quot;, and I highly doubt any manager w=
ould say &quot;A book<br>
&gt; is completed pertinent to ko&#39;a in the obvious form&quot; to yell a=
t someone for<br>
&gt; putting a name in a book. More likely they&#39;d just say &quot;Why is=
 {name}&#39;s name<br>
&gt; in you book? I want it out, NOW!&quot;<br>
<br>
</div>Still, &quot;x1 is dedicated to x2&quot; is a kind of relation, just =
as &quot;x1<br>
plans x2 for process x3&quot; (platu) is.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, but=
 neither of those are srana.<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
mu&#39;o<br>
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