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On 5 Gru, 10:43, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:34 AM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't think {nu} is good for describing relationships, rather {ka}.
> > When in doubt, you can always use {su'u}. I get the feeling that {nu}
> > is somewhat overused.
>
> {nu} is the NU equivalent of {lo}. It's never wrong.

No. {su'u} is the NU equivalent of {lo}: generalized abstractor (how);
x1 is [bridi] as a non-specific abstraction of type x2

{nu} is "generalized event abstractor; x1 is state/process/achievement/
activity of [bridi]."
That means, {nu} can stand for each of: {za'i}, {pu'e}, {mu'u},
{zu'o}, maybe {li'i} (but I doubt that; experience is not an event),
but not for {du'u}, {jei}, {ka}, {ni}, {si'o} and of course {su'u},
which is more general.

mu'o mi'e ianek

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> > =A0mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> > On 5 Gru, 04:33, Michael Turniansky <mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, tijlan <jbotij...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> On 4 December 2012 10:12, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> > > >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:36 AM, tijlan <jbotij...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >> >> On 3 December 2012 04:15, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Annie <park.an...@asb.gaggle.=
net
>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> How do you get "is dedicated to" out of "is related to"?
>
> > > >> >> > I'd like to know that myself.
>
> > > >> >> If I wrote a book in dedication to koha and made that explicit =
on a
> > > >> >> page, a link would have been created between the book and koha.
> > > >> >> Suppose koha is a high-profile celebrity and my book happens to=
 be
> > > >> >> monumentally controversial for its own content; koha's manager
> > doesn't
> > > >> >> appreciate the publicized unduly link and calls me demanding th=
at
> > {lo
> > > >> >> cukta co'u srana ko'a tai zo'e}, where {zo'e} refers to the fac=
t
> > that
> > > >> >> koha's name is on the book's particular page unrelated to the
> > book's
> > > >> >> topic itself.
>
> > > >> >> mu'o
>
> > > >> > Not only is that example extremely contrived, it is also not an
> > example
> > > >> of
> > > >> > srana being "dedicated to", and I highly doubt any manager would
> > say "A
> > > >> book
> > > >> > is completed pertinent to ko'a in the obvious form" to yell at
> > someone
> > > >> for
> > > >> > putting a name in a book. More likely they'd just say "Why is
> > {name}'s
> > > >> name
> > > >> > in you book? I want it out, NOW!"
>
> > > >> Still, "x1 is dedicated to x2" is a kind of relation, just as "x1
> > > >> plans x2 for process x3" (platu) is.
>
> > > > Yes, but neither of those are srana.
>
> > > =A0 In my opinion the discussion here defines ckini too broadly. =A0s=
rana
> > has a
> > > broad meaning, and it's basically the relationship that "pe/ne" has w=
ith
> > > the two sumti have. =A0ckini, on the other hand, is more specifically=
 a
> > > kinship relationship. =A0The x1 and x2 would basically have to belong=
 to
> > the
> > > same set, or at best one being a member of the superset of the other.
> > =A0For
> > > example, I don't think that "la djan" and "lo zdani be la djan" would
> > > properly be described as being a ckini relationship, despite the fact=
 you
> > > could argue =A0that "la djan ckini lo zdani be la djan lo nu se zdani=
" is
> > > valid and true. =A0But I could say something like "lo mlatu cu ckini =
lo
> > cinfo
> > > lo nu jutsi". =A0The preceding is just my opinion. YMMV
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
>
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>
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