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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why no "about" brivla?
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On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:48 AM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

> la Jonathan Jones cu cusku di'e
>
>  As I said, I'm not saying that I agree with it, nor am I saying I think
>> it's correct. What I AM saying is that that is how it is, regardless of
>> whether it makes sense, regardless of what the definitions of the
>> various NU are, and regardless of whether it should be something else.
>>
>> That said, I do happen to agree with you. That, however, is not my
>> point. This is not my opinion, it is the current state of the language.
>>
>
> Out of curiosity, what makes you think that it's the current state of the
> language? What are you basing this claim on?


Previous discussions on NU, one of which I've posted to the main list so as
to keep the kind of discussions we DON'T have on the Beginner's list from
happening on the Beginner's list. (Well, at least to remove this one from
it, anyway.)


> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> --
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>
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> gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi
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style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
la Jonathan Jones cu cusku di&#39;e<div class=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
As I said, I&#39;m not saying that I agree with it, nor am I saying I think=
<br>
it&#39;s correct. What I AM saying is that that is how it is, regardless of=
<br>
whether it makes sense, regardless of what the definitions of the<br>
various NU are, and regardless of whether it should be something else.<br>
<br>
That said, I do happen to agree with you. That, however, is not my<br>
point. This is not my opinion, it is the current state of the language.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Out of curiosity, what makes you think that it&#39;s the current state of t=
he language? What are you basing this claim on?</blockquote><div><br>Previo=
us discussions on NU, one of which I&#39;ve posted to the main list so as t=
o keep the kind of discussions we DON&#39;T have on the Beginner&#39;s list=
 from happening on the Beginner&#39;s list. (Well, at least to remove this =
one from it, anyway.)<br>
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rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=
=3D"h5">mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
<br>
-- <br>
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo<br>
<br>
do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC&#39;u<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do c=C3=A0tlu ki&#39;u<br>
ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi<br>
gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0.i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da&#39;i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku<br>
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