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From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 4 December 2012 22:45, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, tijlan wrote: >> Still, "x1 is dedicated to x2" is a kind of relation, just as "x1 >> plans x2 for process x3" (platu) is. > > > Yes, but neither of those are srana. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jbotijlan[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid On 4 December 2012 22:45, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, tijlan wrote: >> Still, "x1 is dedicated to x2" is a kind of relation, just as "x1 >> plans x2 for process x3" (platu) is. > > > Yes, but neither of those are srana. If "x1 is dedicated to x2" wasn't a subset of {srana}, of "x1 is related to x2", then it couldn't be covered by {pe} either -- we couldn't say {lo cukta pe lo nixli} to imply that the book is dedicated to the girl. Do we actually have such a restriction? mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.