Received: from mail-da0-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]:63305) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TggVh-0003sy-81; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:32 -0800 Received: by mail-da0-f56.google.com with SMTP id g9sf4452683dad.1 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UpeaGb4XateJMThR+YvOH2KTeIHaEip+zypBbt799jM=; b=nZkBttKgmk+Rl2NoAEU87T36km3d8ZRIRDq3zVQM2kdV5qhhnrbD5LS1VZZzoiJuxD /HVIhRniQBXk6EzxfQdhhQEcdqvIKT9AtYkaxoGI2Z/J7knbN420nGX2aOshqFVBaLsc Tb5VYYg4p5EBgfmPaaS4EAxXWhqJMPqwy1SnhRE5GWUHQ3kpKzctHeN8cIEDUy/4G60g xZPebUn5h7IsLTJw0BuFcVd0+NbL64pRim+ZFHtzPvtXKHElcdiu+T46/OTuWl48lioH I1ogitMtyX6Jlq2YyIO+8AE8SJ7zu3i++uw+r3R7vvXP9zf5YtQHCNEWvfpi9tOu52LY Zv9Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UpeaGb4XateJMThR+YvOH2KTeIHaEip+zypBbt799jM=; b=i7SMgIa1IpfOvM9uroBGbHGfCMb2lA2zgqPgPs0bpAUvD7MZ4XhqM9qnltb7jt2NO7 GAMeQM4TEknskACeOCf/O77oi0SsPmHjPc0wzd8WmAm7zg0todpuHbhhQ6BdyZ1aJHjC /a0EaxGXNRlfPtGtUbKl/zgbFn872kjbLAtSj2Y7d+ExJJFWLkSw0d1v/0d8Df/GUmIF 5QWftYAAjj2CJofUX/GqX2PFjy1OBByUgR5VFUUPl/u2hJCXjcGOdNb7AvE0utKJA5Mj 9vYqlYVXp5Gx85Gdgb52Upt6X9g2inpvqkXMIKwgfjOlLnwaa4Vz59FyxiNOu5jiluiR vIPQ== Received: by 10.50.5.174 with SMTP id t14mr2316037igt.11.1354819758891; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.222.129 with SMTP id qm1ls2573043igc.28.gmail; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.159.136 with SMTP id l8mr1977833icx.10.1354819758189; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.159.136 with SMTP id l8mr1977831icx.10.1354819758171; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7si1633813igl.0.2012.12.06.10.49.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.179; Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x4so6123064obh.38 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.42.97 with SMTP id n1mr1378060obl.91.1354819757910; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:49:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <6abd7c5a-3b12-4f9e-8cbb-cc1250a86d78@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:49:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Practicality of learning/speaking Lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93998eb67a9e304d0338e42 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae93998eb67a9e304d0338e42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The stated primary purpose of Lojban is to be a language which both humans and computers can understand, so that one can speak to both using the same language (rather than for example, English with humans and C++ with computers), so, there's that. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:04 AM, .arpis. wrote: > I've found that it helps me organize my thoughts: trying to express > something in lojban requires you to go beyond the symbol and dig into the > substance (mostly because you don't have an expression already prepared, so > you need to figure out what exactly it is that you want to say in the > process of translating, since metaphors don't translate). > > I've also noticed myself having thoughts that would be much > nicer/cleaner/more precise if I could express them in lojban (but I'm not > yet fluent enough). > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, lopa temtru wrote: > >> I've taken up learning Lojban as a hobby, but I was wondering if anyone >> could come up with any practical benefits of learning and speaking fluently >> in Lojban? >> >> ki'e >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/CsQ6qGW3lQwJ. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --14dae93998eb67a9e304d0338e42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stated primary purpose of Lojban is to be a language which both humans = and computers can understand, so that one can speak to both using the same = language (rather than for example, English with humans and C++ with compute= rs), so, there's that.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:04 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
I've found that it helps me organize my thoughts: trying to express som= ething in lojban requires you to go beyond the symbol and dig into the subs= tance (mostly because you don't have an expression already prepared, so= you need to figure out what exactly it is that you want to say in the proc= ess of translating, since metaphors don't translate).

I've also noticed myself having thoughts that would be much nicer/c= leaner/more precise if I could express them in lojban (but I'm not yet = fluent enough).

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, lopa temtru <azuritiss@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
I've taken up learning Lojban as a hobby, but I was wondering if a= nyone could come up with any practical benefits of learning and speaking fl= uently in Lojban?
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ki'e

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