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On Friday, December 7, 2012 8:51:43 PM UTC+4, John Cowan wrote:
>
> la gleki scripsit: 
>
> > {na'e} says that we are somewere at another point but on the same scale. 
> > {no'e} says we are in the middle of the same scale. 
> > {to'e} says that we are at the opposite point of the same scale. 
>
> Right. 
>
> > {na'i} says that we are outside this scale (i.e. this predicate 
> > relationship) 
>
> "Na'i" says that there's something wrong with the way the statement is 
> formulated.  "Na'i I drove my car to work today" is a true statement, 
> since I don't have a car and in fact don't drive. 
>
> > {na}. Here I have a problem. According to what I draw {na} means that we 
> > are not at this point of this scale and may be even outside this scale. 
> > So for me {na} is (warning! bad grammar follows) {na'i ja na'e}. 
>
> "Na" is not about scales either.  It says no more and no less than that 
> the rest of the sentence is untrue.  "Na'e censa" is "secular", but 
> "ti na na'e censa" does not reduce to "ti censa" logically, though it 
> may do so pragmatically. 
>
> > Anyway, I want all types of negation to fit on the same scheme. 
>
> They don't, and aren't intended to.  Lojban's round pegs will not fit 
> in your square holes. 
>

Then explain me how one {nai} can give birth both to round pegs and square 
nails?
I showed on my table that {na} means either {na} or outside the scale. This 
is what you are saying
(""Na" is not about scales either")


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<br><br>On Friday, December 7, 2012 8:51:43 PM UTC+4, John Cowan wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">la gleki scripsit:
<br>
<br>&gt; {na'e} says that we are somewere at another point but on the same =
scale.
<br>&gt; {no'e} says we are in the middle of the same scale.
<br>&gt; {to'e} says that we are at the opposite point of the same scale.
<br>
<br>Right.
<br>
<br>&gt; {na'i} says that we are outside this scale (i.e. this predicate=20
<br>&gt; relationship)
<br>
<br>"Na'i" says that there's something wrong with the way the statement is
<br>formulated. &nbsp;"Na'i I drove my car to work today" is a true stateme=
nt,
<br>since I don't have a car and in fact don't drive.
<br>
<br>&gt; {na}. Here I have a problem. According to what I draw {na} means t=
hat we=20
<br>&gt; are not at this point of this scale and may be even outside this s=
cale.
<br>&gt; So for me {na} is (warning! bad grammar follows) {na'i ja na'e}.
<br>
<br>"Na" is not about scales either. &nbsp;It says no more and no less than=
 that
<br>the rest of the sentence is untrue. &nbsp;"Na'e censa" is "secular", bu=
t
<br>"ti na na'e censa" does not reduce to "ti censa" logically, though it
<br>may do so pragmatically.
<br>
<br>&gt; Anyway, I want all types of negation to fit on the same scheme.
<br>
<br>They don't, and aren't intended to. &nbsp;Lojban's round pegs will not =
fit
<br>in your square holes.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Then explain me how one {nai} can give=
 birth both to round pegs and square nails?</div><div>I showed on my table =
that {na} means either {na} or outside the scale. This is what you are sayi=
ng<br>(""Na" is not about scales either")</div><div><br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>--=20
<br>John Cowan &nbsp;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscat=
ed-mailto=3D"7bEaNkaX1GkJ">co...@ccil.org</a> &nbsp; <a href=3D"http://ccil=
.org/~cowan" target=3D"_blank">http://ccil.org/~cowan</a>
<br>Assent may be registered by a signature, a handshake, or a click of a c=
omputer
<br>mouse transmitted across the invisible ether of the Internet. Formality
<br>is not a requisite; any sign, symbol or action, or even willful inactio=
n,
<br>as long as it is unequivocally referable to the promise, may create a c=
ontract.
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;--Specht v. Netscape
<br></blockquote>

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