Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:60909) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ThAiM-0000Bq-NP; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:51 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf630320yho.16 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=L8mpRugIQO/yR3AzGvVjqdU+8feA4LQUY/AINPOZiww=; b=Lide06TBa8pmWNK/XTSqEN0zRBNpoACq+88MbSXXXjx7vPHcx1v4nxkVIjaVhXMHxK /4PtNThYXLOnVDYWRGiNhVP9efK3WKJghGJ6duzJkKtcvPFr5LyZ0P870Y+geXwrVBz8 uiObK9PzWxtyGwcFe6Ye/fLneI5/22ptFFyqQiu7Q1lmSPoLNC09IpJuU1EK+KSVDF+N q3Hiyovq4SpwWgUuVSHHWlk3bLK4LdvBsFRn3sXvWbMPp+zoOZ7GeokcJryh8otSCSRD /YvUz0Y+OriKGeBvGh/ZLsZSCKSVy4olwJkWTrW+pOsW5FukEGDJh0OkE6kV5NE+KvET bRWA== Received: by 10.49.86.106 with SMTP id o10mr1744697qez.14.1354935864145; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:24 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.41.3 with SMTP id b3ls2763348qel.81.gmail; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.17.205 with SMTP id q13mr2125012vdd.6.1354935862880; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.17.205 with SMTP id q13mr2125011vdd.6.1354935862869; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org. [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj17si2045324vdb.1.2012.12.07.19.04.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ThAiD-0003E4-E6; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:04:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 22:04:21 -0500 From: John Cowan To: la gleki Cc: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com, lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [bpfk] polysemy of {nai} Message-ID: <20121208030421.GB3174@mercury.ccil.org> References: <95cdbee4-7ddc-4f7d-bb48-4591b7c3d915@googlegroups.com> <50C10003.1080806@lojban.org> <5406c1d2-ee78-4b41-ab68-06b7cf99dce7@googlegroups.com> <20121207165143.GE26753@mercury.ccil.org> <12451bd9-6861-4830-a8d0-c5c5f382fe2c@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <12451bd9-6861-4830-a8d0-c5c5f382fe2c@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la gleki scripsit: > Then explain me how one {nai} can give birth both to round pegs and square > nails? As the Red Book explains in Section 15.7, the meaning of "nai" depends on the selma'o of the word it is attached to. It is contradictory negation (na) when attached to NU, A, GIhA, JA, GA, GUhA, GI, PU, FAhA, BAI. It is scalar negation (na'e) when attached to JOI, BIhI, ROI, TAhE, ZAhO. It is polar negation (to'e) when attached to COI, UI, CAI. When standing alone as a text-0, it is vague in meaning (like English "No."). -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan It's the old, old story. Droid meets droid. Droid becomes chameleon. Droid loses chameleon, chameleon becomes blob, droid gets blob back again. It's a classic tale. --Kryten, Red Dwarf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.