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Sent from my iPod On Dec 11, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeaberge= n@gmail.com> wrote: Which passage in chapter 5 gave that impression? From what I understand, th= e bridi can be thought of as the whole sentence. The selbri is the relation= ship word that pulls the whole thing together, and the terbri, which are of= ten sumti, are the places. "sentence" isn't quite the right word, actually, since you can have bridi n= ested within a sentence e.g. "lo gerku ku nelci lo nu pinxe lo djacu". I wo= uld say that the whole thing is a "sentence". The whole thing is also a "br= idi". "pinxe lo djacu" is also a bridi. And "lo gerku", "lo nu pinxe lo dja= cu", and "lo djacu" are all sumti as well as terbri. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Annie <park.ann= ie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote: oh wow. what other dames do you have for that book? speaking of cll, it loo= ks to me, from chapter 5, that a bridi is a sentence without the selbri. am= i understanding this correctly because if so, why would you want to use a = bunch of sumti without a selbri? the sentence wouldn't make s5se, it seems. Sent from my iPod On Dec 11, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@= gmail.com> wrote: Sorry... I just think it's cool that it has a whole bunch of names and well= , we're also known for giving long-winded answers for no real reason, haha. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 11 December 2012 13:29, Annie <park.annie@asb= .gaggle.net> wrote: You could have just said "CLL". Sent from my iPod On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan= @gmail.com> wrote: It's one of the CLL's many names. * The Complete Lojban Language * The Red Book * The Codex Woldemar * The Book It's the language's complete grammar description. Orika Okrent, who wrote "= In the Land of Invented Languages" says that the CLL is one of the most com= plete grammatical descriptions of any constructed language. Calling it "The= Red Book" stems from the colour of the cover, whereas "The Codex Woldemar"= which is just an overly fancy way of referring to it, comes from its autho= r's name, John Woldemar Cowan. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 11 December 2012 10:39, Annie <park.annie@asb= .gaggle.net> wrote: what is the red book? *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to loj= ban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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It's the first sentence, but maybe= I misunderstood. what's a terbri, and how can you identify a bridi if it's= not a sentence? what is predication? i thought that it would be stating th= e predicut, what the subject is, or does.

Sent from my iPod

On Dec 11, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Which passage in chapter 5 gave that impression? &nb= sp;From what I understand, the bridi can be thought of as the whole sentenc= e.  The selbri is the relationship word that pulls the whole thing tog= ether, and the terbri, which are often sumti, are the places.

"sentence" isn't quite the right word, actually, since you c= an have bridi nested within a sentence e.g.  "lo gerku ku nelci lo nu = pinxe lo djacu".  I would say that the whole thing is a "sentence". &n= bsp;The whole thing is also a "bridi".  "pinxe lo djacu" is also a bridi.  And "lo gerku", "lo nu pinxe lo djacu", and "lo djacu= " are all sumti as well as terbri.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
oh wow. what other dames do you have for that book? = speaking of cll, it looks to me, from chapter 5, that a bridi is a sentence= without the selbri. am i understanding this correctly because if so, why w= ould you want to use a bunch of sumti without a selbri? the sentence wouldn= 't make s5se, it seems.

Sent from my iPod

On Dec 11, 2012,= at 2:03 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry... I just think it's cool that it has a whole bunch of names and= well, we're also known for giving long-winded answers for no real reason, = haha.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 December 2012 13:29, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>= ; wrote:
You could have just said "CLL".

Sent from my = iPod

On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Jacob Errington = <nictytan@gmail.= com> wrote:

It's one of the CLL's many names.<= div>* The Complete Lojban Language
* The Red Book
* The= Codex Woldemar
* The Book

It's the lang= uage's complete grammar description. Orika Okrent, who wrote "In the Land o= f Invented Languages" says that the CLL is one of the most complete grammat= ical descriptions of any constructed language. Calling it "The Red Book" st= ems from the colour of the cover, whereas "The Codex Woldemar" which is jus= t an overly fancy way of referring to it, comes from its author's name, Joh= n Woldemar Cowan.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 December 2012 10:39, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net&g= t; wrote:
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