On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Luke Berge= n <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

So, a sentence is really just a bunch of wor= ds grouped together. =A0In fact, I'm not 100% sure that the CLL goes in= to long depths to define a sentence (thought it's been a while since I&= #39;ve read through it).

Think of a bridi as being a specialized verb + some nouns to giv= e more information about that verb. =A0So in the same way that in english y= ou can have a sentence with many clauses, in lojban you can have sub-bridi = and such in a sentence.

Maybe this will clarify. =A0The definition of = "bridi" is:
x1 (text) is a predicate relationship with relation x2 among arguments (seq= uence/set) x3.

So, when someone talks about= a "bridi" they're talking about this relationship. =A0In a b= ridi the "selbri" (the x2 of the above definition) is the relatio= nship word, the "terbri" (x3 of the above definition) are the nou= n-like things that act as parameters to the relation.

=A0
e.g. =A0Take the english sentence "Rex = likes when Paul pets him". =A0If I were trying to describe this using = lojban grammer I would describe "Paul pets him" as a bridi, becau= se it's the selbri "pet", with two arguments "Paul"= , and "him". =A0I would also describe the whole thing as a bridi = whose selbri is "likes" and whose terbri (arguments) are "Re= x" and "when Paul pets him" (since this is an event, it can = be thought of as a single noun-like-thing that's attached to "like= ").

Not sure what is meant by "predication",= I'd need to see it in context.

Sorry, that go= t a little long winded.

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net<= /a>> wrote:

It's the first se= ntence, but maybe I misunderstood. what's a terbri, and how can you ide= ntify a bridi if it's not a sentence? what is predication? i thought th= at it would be stating the predicut, what the subject is, or does.

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On Dec 11, 2012, at 3:07 PM, = Luke Bergen <= lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Which passage in chapter 5 gave that impression? =A0From what I unders= tand, the bridi can be thought of as the whole sentence. =A0The selbri is t= he relationship word that pulls the whole thing together, and the terbri, w= hich are often sumti, are the places.

"sentence" isn't quite the right word, actuall= y, since you can have bridi nested within a sentence e.g. =A0"lo gerku= ku nelci lo nu pinxe lo djacu". =A0I would say that the whole thing i= s a "sentence". =A0The whole thing is also a "bridi". = =A0"pinxe lo djacu" is also=A0a bridi. =A0And "lo ger= ku", "lo nu pinxe lo djacu", and "lo djacu" are al= l sumti as well as terbri.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

oh wow. what other dames do you have for that book? = speaking of cll, it looks to me, from chapter 5, that a bridi is a sentence= without the selbri. am i understanding this correctly because if so, why w= ould you want to use a bunch of sumti without a selbri? the sentence wouldn= 't make s5se, it seems.

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On Dec 11, 2012, at 2:03 PM, = Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry... I just think it's cool that it has a whole bunch of names= and well, we're also known for giving long-winded answers for no real = reason, haha.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 December 2012 13:29, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>= ; wrote:

You could have just said "CLL".

Sen= t from my iPod

On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Jacob = Errington <nicty= tan@gmail.com> wrote:

It's one of the CLL's many= names.
* The Complete Lojban Language
* The Red Book
* The Codex Woldemar
* The Book

It= 9;s the language's complete grammar description. Orika Okrent, who wrot= e "In the Land of Invented Languages" says that the CLL is one of= the most complete grammatical descriptions of any constructed language. Ca= lling it "The Red Book" stems from the colour of the cover, where= as "The Codex Woldemar" which is just an overly fancy way of refe= rring to it, comes from its author's name, John Woldemar Cowan.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 December 2012 10:39, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.n= et> wrote:

=
what is the red book?

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