Received: from mail-ia0-f187.google.com ([209.85.210.187]:37681) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TpX4N-00084W-RW; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:34:01 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f187.google.com with SMTP id j26sf7504264iaf.24 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2eVoJEEeyuTqcNBAbMd7X1XoGu00w/tiTxu1PgestKY=; b=LXR91TQ48hJHd+Bgf0WUE8+6D5wffA6FgEfjg69UJslvNeWjGsze6e5Q2K1HLVt61C tzd5N0kGQFh14ea9xNSF/cAmaOE7LHV7ee/Z5YUb85jjgbz5GPDbqLNWtvvqZ2Fmygxi TXHgzcrKX3+4Dh+QZLTqa2bE2FsI7CFQzFls7L7++8kYUfArdn176HW9BtUIl9O8tel1 QMoOQSoZupNEKgWJ59cwg1I+KtjQkVFxqwmuMgAPDgVmZoWFTO8rx38u6fjb8Sxrnc4F R03jkwOrZhwQhIksFHrX/7kc7xAOVDlNPPKmTVuRq4D9aDeZPwMX4toQTNFRufkqPlyR qgFA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2eVoJEEeyuTqcNBAbMd7X1XoGu00w/tiTxu1PgestKY=; b=SJy9D5AdnQnJjZYlZr8wt9lWkELr7x2sNCuTVUMs/JCHuGdOWL79KNuf+wUZm4Vskt VPB9bhurCKo3ZFjTHmF5Ze6uKfVzZ0eH5S92T3raRnz5OyBaN3tNDVJUr2Xl0SQB5Kt8 hM+zgNW/eqXG3CjoTjv0S53jE4/UU5mpzVWQrMzPfQVSGyDSGMzQ42CaNW+DHs+hgyWB y/r0vXydwYc9SlsPMZO+Fw5c4iFddB0JtbC4ylS6l4zdZ8MtEUWw0V9MWcWz+mLhTTCC f5C8P6fbObxpnTcRNiq0qXUHHNzwke0CNeejLPH+YCYKP1RNvSu1bLk6O5o5idDdPwfU 9E6A== X-Received: by 10.50.163.67 with SMTP id yg3mr10980116igb.12.1356928420890; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.158.131 with SMTP id wu3ls9404341igb.18.gmail; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.84.167 with SMTP id a7mr5870340paz.6.1356928419810; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.84.167 with SMTP id a7mr5870339paz.6.1356928419795; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com (mail-pb0-f52.google.com [209.85.160.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bv9si7981678pab.1.2012.12.30.20.33.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.52; Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ro2so6786684pbb.11 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.88.129 with SMTP id bg1mr117981923pab.71.1356928419714; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.15.70 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:19 -0800 (PST) From: ".arpis." Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Termsets in English To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042dff517156ca04d21e845d X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042dff517156ca04d21e845d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am under the impression that termsets were a rarely used and poorly understood concept in lojban. I think I finally understand (at least one use of) them, though, and it's all thanks to Fantine (from Les Mis). Here are two lines from "I Dreamed a Dream" > There was no ransom to be paid > No song unsung, no wine untasted the verb "to be" is elided in two places in the second line. Similarly, the phrase "To err is human; to forgive divine" elides the verb "is". Now, neither of these would use termsets in lojban because the lojban translations would differ by bridi rather than by sumti and so use bridi tail connection rather than termset connection, but I feel like I finally grasp the concept. -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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I am under the impression that termsets were a rarely used= and poorly understood concept in lojban. I think I finally understand (at = least one use of) them, though, and it's all thanks to Fantine (from Le= s Mis).

Here are two lines from "I Dreamed a Dream"

> There= was no ransom to be paid
> No song unsung, no wine untasted

the verb "to be" is elided in two pl= aces in the second line.

Similarly, the phrase "To err is human; to forgive divine" el= ides the verb "is".

Now, neither of these would= use termsets in lojban because the lojban translations would differ by bri= di rather than by sumti and so use bridi tail connection rather than termse= t connection, but I feel like I finally grasp the concept.

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mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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