Received: from mail-da0-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]:35224) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqEmt-00042r-0i; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:14:47 -0800 Received: by mail-da0-f56.google.com with SMTP id g9sf6984499dad.11 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:14:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=CaDn8ip97pB1C3nl+kBcWp0sIuQCDXjiYk9P57x9UAg=; b=p8jyifEqnlxc05q0eb4McbTmlzUpfTzdPUFz0sqCLpZENesKvaVRiLCN/ac3Xputfu rXGmIM4nfWHg90iqeqr/MAoQr5Fyaz5zC1WC2WC4rMmtEuABp1P3LUQVbfbNnqneRAMf ORzMuj40aQAUOfnsA3nXJgbWGzTBGszque9FxI8WHdYf5yfOlPY7LIHkTaX6DoEGHuhZ pnQD8TRvH5M7GrRzkhd8GMwZjVYhRkR+VIq2kXhn1d3/nSGC5Rw78P/wyKbY0b+Nvxo/ vaLaUGrRzL5GKONlmodEG2U0nMS+dGcn+UtUG9oajs4zJ/4hp+mp36KyKTeiaJpfPNeZ 8Jiw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=CaDn8ip97pB1C3nl+kBcWp0sIuQCDXjiYk9P57x9UAg=; b=so5GAC+3Xy+U0hYLr6fdSBKqwr+pJjm4R7Q4oyc9FLrqAYRVTAnP8xUfxdRWq2Wsqz PhqvxNPpwV8p0NH1f5tCyAyw8s0eLi9evuVlYTRvDIeTAMGq8XPgYIR5JfG1KaYkHI3/ 90k1r7sL2mGu82Yo5c3NFSY+f2AZgQM5W8snC8xCXe43+qNseFEHEyhDNVndsm8SbHEq c1B8ktCB6neTBgbshjWelcQjawUOGWQAZzGTb7XOAsgXADIwhe91KvkylMnuK+ac3TED vjDCeBmwavTc0kcgHulu5ERw3BwQtunpEgTX8t37kLVOvdFPowBcNIHkwcZb/QcI5TID ovVw== X-Received: by 10.49.15.38 with SMTP id u6mr6718985qec.8.1357096472514; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.94.139 with SMTP id dc11ls5698876qeb.1.gmail; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:14:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.116.1 with SMTP id js1mr6746903qeb.19.1357096471276; Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by r13g2000vbd.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:14:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:14:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/537.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/22.0.1229.79 Safari/537.4,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <7602dd88-ce54-4a2a-aa3d-1db84c3c67f0@r13g2000vbd.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "Something besides [...]" translation From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / I'm not very good at deciding between {poi} and {noi} in nonstandard cases, but here I'd rather use {poi}. But I wouldn't really say it like this, especially as {xu} attached to a sumti makes the main sentence an assertion (I can't find a relevant citation from CLL right now). For example, {xu do citka lo mi plise} may mean "did you eat my apple?", while {do xu citka lo mi plise} would rather mean "Is it you who ate my apple". So you're assrting that something is wanted (unless I'm wrong). I would say {xu do djica lo na'e nu tcidu fi lo kibro lisxra ku'o}. "Something other than..." screams for {na'e} in my opinion. When it's comfortable to use an experimental gismu, do it. That's what they're for. {kibro} even has an experimental rafsi {kib}. mu'o mi'e ianek On 2 Sty, 01:27, ".arpis." wrote: > {da xu noi na nu tcidu fi lo kibro lisxra ku'o seldji} > "Is there something you want to do besides reading that webcomic?" > > Questions: > Is my choice of {noi} over {poi} incorrect or otherwise bad? > Is there something besides an experimental gismu or an absurdly long lujvo > I can use to describe the internet? Is {lo me la .internet. lisxra} > reasonable? > Is there something horribly wrong with the phrasing? Would you say it > another way? > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.