Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:43019) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqTDB-0000ik-31; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:52 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id hg5sf9079245qab.16 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=7w7Ts/yajYrpFL7id8dniUrfTe86fMZ3DwgTCb54SJE=; b=eA3E58B5snghoWLyNIxZlt//6sudiW1Qy0M6bXemyMxJkVW6nLwCeR7bBHPcpoch82 mrBhQfpSeTI0BVLr8bl7I3s8RDSPXh3JESOJH24YfPtX0U4LHNPMEBPhkEgu2s89KLJT RFkCxxLhwSNvSggY0/rpNxygt5DTv8HtyOxb/alQXGwLIdyDB0lz8IgieV24Nkzpy1Dq XSroGKFdtpTgakEjl93x1PdHkuu8vp1cHAUpdYrfd78/T3RcyeaNIU/Kmf4dMPz2TZo3 shn/l3NXCzJx4MM+7HvgU/kYd+q+G16koelH36mk6HTWVKq+/hlWx51wU09CAuqv/QOL MI6Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=7w7Ts/yajYrpFL7id8dniUrfTe86fMZ3DwgTCb54SJE=; b=O+IPzU4WG7uum81xBczI3qTHB9SzEJfGoc5ihWWtsQp9fmiEtUQEmDU3d1vuOTrwgL 4A16YGsuP7NHenTzz8dmzP9IXPXvur2KwSMAT2iJUQ1gcUt1VOQ2CXEPd3x+Pdi+FFRU 2GWbjYtuS1R13UShOua5sD+hS/GEc0hFrYo/aho0th70Xi1Q/ioga8jKQp0WqELB8f0Y 1jJYsIGqRUl60Tbat2myAmLgydQiDxLDexO18XTEIgNLZq0akyAmI/MMRX6cVTRbIZET LkTbPcdoz0BGnse6z2LnCryrlH7sECms/FVUdSmDQMK6Ir75ECTdWRmFPBwTEs0Nyod7 TLdA== X-Received: by 10.50.37.242 with SMTP id b18mr15139651igk.6.1357151917638; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.158.131 with SMTP id wu3ls13926932igb.6.canary; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.42.168 with SMTP id p8mr38139257igl.6.1357151916308; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.42.168 with SMTP id p8mr38139256igl.6.1357151916292; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ge7si4244910igb.0.2013.01.02.10.38.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id oi10so13117146obb.12 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.169.18 with SMTP id aa18mr26908825oec.13.1357151916123; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:38:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54b4a56dde57e04d2528d88 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54b4a56dde57e04d2528d88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > You've got it backwards :P It's {rodme'a} -> {mleca fi lo ka broda}. In > your example, the tertau of the veljvo suddenly became the seltau of the > actual meaning; that usually indicates naljvajvo > > > Not necessarily. A lujvo means what the lujvo maker makes it mean once you > define its structure, so it's a matter of agreeing on the meaning, there's > no right or wrong. For {mutce} I use {-tce} but for {mleca} I prefer > {mec-}. > > Of course I've no problem with {rodme'a} as {ko'a mleca ko'e lo ka broda > kei ko'i} but it has exactly the same sumti places as {mecybo'e} (as > defined in my previous message). > Yes, but he wasn't talking about lujvo in general, he was talking about jvajvo, which is a special class of lujvo that follows predictable patterns. mecbo'e does not follow these predicatble patterns and so are naljvajvo - not regular- whereas rodme'a do and are. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Remo Dentato <= rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, J= an 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>= wrote:
You've got it backwards :P It's {rodme'a} -> {mleca fi lo ka broda}. I= n=20 your example, the tertau of the veljvo suddenly became the seltau of the actual meaning; that usually indicates=A0 naljvajvo


Not necessarily. A lujvo means what the lujvo m= aker makes it mean once you define its structure, so it's a matter of a= greeing on the meaning, there's no right or wrong. For {mutce} I use {-= tce} but for {mleca} I prefer {mec-}.

Of course I've no problem with {ro= dme'a} as {ko'a mleca ko'e lo ka broda kei ko'i} but it has= exactly the same sumti places as {mecybo'e} (as defined in my previous= message).

Yes, but he wasn't tal= king about lujvo in general, he was talking about jvajvo, which is a specia= l class of lujvo that follows predictable patterns. mecbo'e does not fo= llow these predicatble patterns and so are naljvajvo - not regular- whereas= rodme'a do and are.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

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