Received: from mail-ie0-f185.google.com ([209.85.223.185]:48573) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqVBR-0001TT-OP; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:45:15 -0800 Received: by mail-ie0-f185.google.com with SMTP id c10sf8816189ieb.2 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:44:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=7udxe8USRANgdIEC52TSIZ9cMRmAUY7emwZfVStKxxs=; b=dy81EhhRJyY3e6pz9JAFaJDrpFz6jVGA3JSxMusROcCCunSDrr2y6JYE5w4hR2wObn DLJetRX/5PoYlIh36fSjrWrVmTwQEsjTv84mei5gyI24GD2i+5Fn0CQZGeENWM1uCcuy WiqzszNcD2BtaB/au2rpuHwxE74rMwfl0H6usghx+vVTsdbF7D4/FFgCLQS+lpMAxJ4N pqOTq9zXjkQBad4+2RXioYrsuzaWzbZVHQh2kywmKUFHnIRneBQ7VpWJDZ8oOaVlgDYD vySrc82NEvs5jyrYZpPhJwyuAWOXqMnib812iOwNU3WPyqzKNPYne9MYGX4HpQ8AU7F5 ruDw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=7udxe8USRANgdIEC52TSIZ9cMRmAUY7emwZfVStKxxs=; b=oj/diwD7Ra7T89Gv18CovK7QHfrKa7MsB08UunjNv4Ug2JSNjvb8PkbGFyWhddWQma OrHRGys7joHtZUoOCjc+IPA/IXxhPM7o/aXaUEcYGzdF7SXEuJEWnrnzpa9jBGXSrsLX nADN4SzUK4hBvlx7WPiw1yhiP0qVRl/b+7SOpxVJC8pv7Fv380X35PB/jmCUc8VgTwts K1eeTbp4gtj5peCC+RiTb2ZQOiivVNgiR47m7uyws53ELyFdHFFxbcZpO4lsfOZspyW7 nlMQ9ePtSgOvW6F8Ngs7R078zML0hKnis1WIqheHPkI8GruRUhgPkEXk/Was+H+g74pq sDnA== X-Received: by 10.49.48.41 with SMTP id i9mr7368320qen.36.1357159499174; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:44:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.71.115 with SMTP id t19ls6521321qeu.20.gmail; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:44:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.229.232 with SMTP id st8mr24327354vec.34.1357159497849; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:44:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.229.232 with SMTP id st8mr24327353vec.34.1357159497831; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2si7578703vdi.2.2013.01.02.12.44.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.171; Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n11so14647113vch.2 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.32.106 with SMTP id h10mr62823715vdi.1.1357159497695; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:44:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.75.232 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:44:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:44:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Should/Ought To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51d26b8c381a104d25451ba X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec51d26b8c381a104d25451ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. wrote: > >> ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi >> should fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to >> the gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi >> >> "I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it again: How >> does one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to the gym" >> (Damned "zoi" rules))? >> > > With gismu: > I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojban word for what I mean here (selbri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu" is overly specific. Similar for "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories cover all the bases (since names can't do the job). stevo > > mi bilga lonu citka > > > With attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement > on this one): > > mi citka.ei > > >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan= Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai= mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi g= y. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo= zoi javni toi toi

"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so= , I ask it again: How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I s= hould eat", "I should go to the gym" (Damned "zoi"= rules))?

With gismu:
=

I'm a little unsure about the proper L= ojban word for what I mean here (selbri?), but it seems to me that using &q= uot;gismu" is overly specific. Similar for "attitudinal" whe= n "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories cover all the bases (= since names can't do the job).=A0

stevo

mi bilga lonu citka


With attitudinal (alt= hough I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement on this one):=

mi citka.ei
=A0
--
mu'o mi= 'e .arpis.

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.i.e'ucai = ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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