On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Remo Dentat= o <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

Good. Since it seems that my list isn't good enough (n= ot even to be commented on), would you care making one?

Me? No. I just got done with a huge Lojban project (Lojba= n Gismu Audio), I'm currently in the process of applying that project (= uploading the audio to the Memrise lesson), I don't see a need to make = a jvajvo table- I mean, jvajvo are regular, you can determine what any of t= hem are just by applying the rule(s), I'm not up to tackling another hu= ge project, especially one I consider pointless, and I'm cerain it woul= d be far easier for you to fix your table than to have someone else start o= ne from scratch.

So, to reiterate, this is the rule for jvajvo: the second rafsi is the = selbri. The first rafsi is the abstraction that fills the selbri's abst= raction place, as the appropriate type of abstraction. The jvajvo's sum= ti fill first the places of the selbri in order excepting the abstraction p= lace which is filled by the abstraction, and then if any remain fill the pl= aces of the abstraction in order.

Some examples:

rodgau =3D ko'a gasnu lonu ko'e broda ko&= #39;i ko'o ko'u fo'a

rodtce =3D ko'a mutce loka ko&#= 39;i broda ko'o ko'u fo'a fo'e kei ko'e

rodyrai = =3D ko'a traji loka ko'o broda ko'u fo'a fo'e fo'i = kei ko'e ko'i

I don't believe there are any 5-place gismu that can be -bo'e, = so the above is an example of each possible type of jvajvo. (Obviously the = few 1-place gismu can't be -bo'e, either.)

=A0I'd like to make a cheat sheet and post it in the w= iki as I did for the "periodic table of pro-sumti and pro-bridi",= the attitutude/rethoric cmavo and the terminology mindmap!

remod

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan = 2, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote= :

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Jonathan Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Remo Dentato <<= a href=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

You're not suggesting that the same rule applies = to {-me'a}, right?

Basically, yes.

Ok, but if (following the = {-gau} pattern)
=A0 =A0=20 {ko'a rodme'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a}
mean= s
=A0=A0=A0 {ko'a mleca lo su'u ko'e=20 broda ko'i k'o' ko'u fo'a}

I fail to understand= how something may be less than an abstraction. The problem is that mleca2 = is the term of comparison.

Yes, in the case of rodme'a, it would be {mleca fi lo [ka/ni] broda}, h= ence the need for minor adjustments depending on the actual gismu in use. =A0
In the list I made I try to = accound for the difference in sumti places. Writing down the gloss in Lojba= n makes clear how each one shouldbe used

Maybe= those changes in my list are the "adjustments" you mentioned?
remo

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