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Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:44:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee86c8b127504d256d504 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee86c8b127504d256d504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Jones wrot= e: >>> >>>> >>>> That standard is jvajvo. >>>> >>>> >>> Perfect! Do you have a link to it? The only page I found on the wiki is >>> this: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/seljvajvo >>> >> >> I do not. As I said, I didn't bother looking. All I can tell you is that >> it's in Chapter 12, which that page also tells you, and that it is >> basically exactly what I told you, albeit not as condensed. >> > > Some part of it is at http://dag.github.com/cll/12/7/: > > A symmetrical lujvo like =93balsoi=94 (from Section 5) has the places of = its > tertau followed by whatever places of the seltau survive the elimination > process. For =93balsoi=94, the surviving places of =93banli=94 are b2 and= b3, > leading to the place structure: > > 7.4) b1=3Ds1 is a great soldier of army s2 in property b2 by standard b= 3 > > And here, on the same page: Asymmetrical lujvo like =93gerzda=94, on the other hand, employ a different rule. The seltau places are inserted not at the end of the place structure, but rather immediately after the tertau place which is equivalent to the first place of the seltau. Consider =93dalmikce=94, meaning =93veterinarian= =94: its veljvo is =93danlu mikce=94, or =93animal doctor=94. The place structures f= or those gismu are: 7.7) =93danlu=94: d1 is an animal of species d2 =93mikce=94: m1 is a doctor to patient m2 for ailment m3 using treat= ment m4 > > >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --bcaec54ee86c8b127504d256d504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:17 PM= , Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Remo Dentat= o <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

On W= ed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

That standard is jvajvo.

=A0
Perfect! Do you have a link to it? The only page I found = on the wiki is this: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/seljvajvo

I do not. As I said, I didn't b= other looking. All I can tell you is that it's in Chapter 12, which tha= t page also tells you, and that it is basically exactly what I told you, al= beit not as condensed.

Some part of it is at http://dag.github.com/cll/= 12/7/:

A symmetrical lujvo like =93balsoi=94 (from Secti= on 5) has the places of its tertau followed by whatever places of the selta= u survive the elimination process. For =93balsoi=94, the surviving places o= f =93banli=94 are b2 and b3, leading to the place structure:

7.4) =A0 b1=3Ds1 is a great soldier of army s2 in property b2 by standa= rd b3

And here, on the same p= age:

Asymmetrical lujvo like =93gerzda=94, on the other hand= , employ a different rule. The seltau places are inserted not at the end of= the place structure, but rather immediately after the tertau place which i= s equivalent to the first place of the seltau. Consider =93dalmikce=94, mea= ning =93veterinarian=94: its veljvo is =93danlu mikce=94, or =93animal doct= or=94. The place structures for those gismu are:

7.7) =A0 =93danlu=94: d1 is an animal of species d2
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =93mikce=94: m1 is a doctor to patient m2 for ailment m3 using treatment m4 =A0

=A0
--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'= ;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Co= me to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e&#= 39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(= Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. = :D )

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