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This is a good suggestion. I just want to remind that {le} is *not* {lo
bi'unai}; {le} makes no promises whatsoever about whether the object has
been mentioned already.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn't this a situation for {le}, as in {le se pelkre}? As I understand it,
> {le} makes the listener assume that the speaker is talking about
> something(s) known, rather than just anything that fits the description.
> .iepei doi jbocre?
>
>
> On Monday, 31 December 2012 17:01:01 UTC, neizyn. wrote:
>>
>> coi
>> .i mi'e neizyn.
>>
>> Sorry, I'm just a beginnger! but I was wondering about a special
>> situation.
>> Suppose there's a group of girls with one guy; I'm talking to one of the
>> girls, and I make a statement referring to the guy without unambiguously
>> referring to him by name or other reference. This is because he's the only
>> person in the group like that. Say he's blonde. Is there a way I can say
>> that "someone is blond" oooooor 'blonde exists/obtains such that x is
>> blonde' ? Better yet, could I use that with some kind of reference?
>>
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This is a good suggestion. I just want to remind that {le} is <i>not</i> {l=
o bi&#39;unai}; {le} makes no promises whatsoever about whether the object =
has been mentioned already.<br><br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM, mudri <span dir=
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Isn&#39;t this a situation for {le}, as in {le se pelkre}? As I understand =
it, {le} makes the listener assume that the speaker is talking about someth=
ing(s) known, rather than just anything that fits the description. .iepei d=
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#39;s blonde. Is there a way=A0I can say that &quot;someone is blond&quot; =
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