Received: from mail-vc0-f187.google.com ([209.85.220.187]:46927) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqyYF-0005Gk-KZ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:49 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f187.google.com with SMTP id m8sf9703946vcd.24 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mfi67HFdTIB4/KQyI//o0yQs3qbH/Mt3WksB9M9jdtk=; b=TMxi7uiJz7rDKtAySI1bIAGJV40+UjhJk5gIY64pgfqpgonpVosZLCOU+7jGU8mC75 HcgvJoNffjD6wrhupZzbGcXlcx/dxTfHd29JZVC3+DAF5UKUQBlDDQVUZ2CxxuRR2Z3N Mp2+wFvab5dpjVf9QlNL9DEGEKoemWo1YmA+HoTVhN3qPcTXI7cWCyKiGcqhvp6FwK3u FV1YmFVaSgNBuPbafCtz426FMAo0iaODlLNZLMgfCJ+UeO41ubMjgG5FkXX3sY/KJllM gN9dqwtohfQjs0jIhvfLUgRKdb9l1pQLrUmDxPaYdklhjgdOARQmGDpjx3vTBZmllxZv UtYQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mfi67HFdTIB4/KQyI//o0yQs3qbH/Mt3WksB9M9jdtk=; b=Be+E9E5pMijk/pemLDx1Z5RZgds40r7Y2NTAUR4VkpQPmW2WOi9wUESZH+Zw467w3Y MKsLmSWg4oUtvjsiYr0vatgNOhmXu1zn/DDcvT9Fr6OIhWU5dvpB+7eO8IvC7pGbx08j YB3bUvFBKJTYd9XcSRiAqnHjshbT5kG2YKXcIbuVooercVMMQ3LTP6UWcQ/69sZu0fIM pCDw95QTEQLRNrodrbLZNpvwBoauHXb0LWSFe7xdSn0JmqiBSsFmyF7DAJ/PG9nJK55D S/tHCO6ydqqq4G1QjktDoVPHlZsI033UH9nDhlWYLj0XIqwmL+K4boYcdUldxuC0ibWv FOCw== X-Received: by 10.49.71.169 with SMTP id w9mr8555271qeu.7.1357272388766; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:28 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.133.102 with SMTP id pb6ls7529950qeb.75.gmail; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.118.37 with SMTP id kj5mr25739899veb.17.1357272387414; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.118.37 with SMTP id kj5mr25739898veb.17.1357272387390; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h20si16010594vdg.3.2013.01.03.20.06.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.52; Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ez10so15932047vbb.39 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.153.201 with SMTP id l9mr75014419vcw.33.1357272387250; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:06:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.59.9.73 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:06:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <999A7608-07F2-4B88-BC4E-A14D56B28CF5@asb.gaggle.net> From: Luke Bergen Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 23:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Should/Ought To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04339ce4816b5d04d26e9a02 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04339ce4816b5d04d26e9a02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And in fact, by using {me}, just about anything can be coerced into acting as a selbri. e.g. mi me li ci "I am the number 3" On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM, .arpis. wrote: > Annie, lujvo and gismu refer to properties of the words themselves, while > selbri refers to how the word is used in a sentence. Because in lojban > there is no hard divide (like there is in English) between, for example, > words which are verbs, adjectives, adverbs, and nouns, lujvo, gismu, and > even a few cmavo can be used as selbri. > > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Annie wrote: > >> i may not know what i'm talking about, but the best word would definately >> either be selbri or attitudinal. >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:45 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. wrote: >>> >>>> ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva >>>> zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should >>>> go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi >>>> >>>> "I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it again: >>>> How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to the >>>> gym" (Damned "zoi" rules))? >>>> >>> >>> With gismu: >>> >> >> I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojban word for what I mean here >> (selbri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu" is overly specific. >> Similar for "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories >> cover all the bases (since names can't do the job). >> >> stevo >> >>> >>> mi bilga lonu citka >>> >>> >>> With attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if there's >>> disagreement on this one): >>> >>> mi citka.ei >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04339ce4816b5d04d26e9a02 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And in fact, by using {me}, just about anything can be coerced into acting = as a selbri. =A0e.g. =A0mi me li ci =A0"I am the number 3"
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
Annie, lujvo and gismu refe= r to properties of the words themselves, while selbri refers to how the wor= d is used in a sentence. Because in lojban there is no hard divide (like th= ere is in English) between, for example, words which are verbs, adjectives,= adverbs, and nouns, lujvo, gismu, and even a few cmavo can be used as selb= ri.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
i may not know what i= 'm talking about, but the best word would definately either be selbri o= r attitudinal.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:45 PM, M= orphemeAddict <ly= tlesw@gmail.com> wrote:



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jon= athan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai= mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi g= y. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo= zoi javni toi toi

"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so= , I ask it again: How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I s= hould eat", "I should go to the gym" (Damned "zoi"= rules))?

With gismu:
=

I'm a little unsure about the proper L= ojban word for what I mean here (selbri?), but it seems to me that using &q= uot;gismu" is overly specific. Similar for "attitudinal" whe= n "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories cover all the bases (= since names can't do the job).=A0

stevo

mi bilga lonu citka


With attitudinal (alt= hough I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement on this one):=

mi citka.ei
=A0
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mu'o mi= 'e .arpis.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai = ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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