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The concept of selbri is way more complicated than I realized. Sent from my iPod On Jan 3, 2013, at 10:04 PM, ".arpis." <rpglov= er64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote: Annie, lujvo and gismu refer to properties of the words themselves, while s= elbri refers to how the word is used in a sentence. Because in lojban there= is no hard divide (like there is in English) between, for example, words w= hich are verbs, adjectives, adverbs, and nouns, lujvo, gismu, and even a fe= w cmavo can be used as selbri. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Annie <park.ann= ie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote: i may not know what i'm talking about, but the best word would definately e= ither be selbri or attitudinal. Sent from my iPod On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:45 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmai= l.com> wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@= gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglo= ver64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote: ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku di'e .i fanva zo'oi s= hould fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi gy. I should go to th= e gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi "I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it again: How d= oes one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to the gym" (= Damned "zoi" rules))? With gismu: I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojban word for what I mean here (selb= ri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu" is overly specific. Similar for= "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. Those two categories cover all the= bases (since names can't do the job). stevo mi bilga lonu citka With attitudinal (although I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement = on this one): mi citka.ei -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to loj= ban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= . -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to loj= ban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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Goodness! The concept of selbri is= way more complicated than I realized.

Sent from my iPod
<= br>On Jan 3, 2013, at 10:04 PM, ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
Annie, lujvo and gismu refer= to properties of the words themselves, while selbri refers to how the word= is used in a sentence. Because in lojban there is no hard divide (like the= re is in English) between, for example, words which are verbs, adjectives, = adverbs, and nouns, lujvo, gismu, and even a few cmavo can be used as selbr= i.


On Thu,= Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>= wrote:
i may not know what i= 'm talking about, but the best word would definately either be selbri or at= titudinal.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 2, 2013, = at 2:45 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:



On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jon= athan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku= di'e .i fanva zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi= gy. I should go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi

"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it ag= ain: How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to = the gym" (Damned "zoi" rules))?

With gismu:
=

I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojba= n word for what I mean here (selbri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu= " is overly specific. Similar for "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. T= hose two categories cover all the bases (since names can't do the job).&nbs= p;

stevo

mi bilga lonu citka


With attitudinal (alt= hough I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement on this one):

mi citka.ei
 
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mu'o mi'e .= arpis.

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