On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Annie &l= t;park.annie= @asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

i've looked up what a predicate is, and, to me, it s= ounds like the predicate is the selbri.

Ye= s.

therefore, how can there be such a thing as a predic= ate relation? isn't that a selbri relation, which doesn't make sence?

Yes, a predicate relation is a selbri relat= ion. In Lojban, everything is expressed as a relationship.

For example, when you say {ta gerku}, you're saying "That's a dog", but= to be completely literal, what you're saying is "The thing I'm pointing to= over there (which is what {ta} means), has the relationship "something is = a dog of species something".

The selbri, or in English the predicate, is the thing which tells you w= hat the relationship is, while the sumti, or in English the arguments, are = the things that are a part of that relationship.

Another example:
{mi xabju lo zdani}
"I live in a house."
"The thing which is me a= nd the thing which is a house have the relationship "something lives in som= ething", with 'me' being the first something, and 'a house' being the secon= d something."

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:39 = PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

Basically, anything that has a pla= ce structure can be a selbri. "selbri", by the way, is a lujvo formed from = "se bridi". The definition of bridi is:

x1 is a predicate relationship with relation x2 among arguments x3

The x2 is the relation, which is where selbri comes fro= m: sb1=3Db2 is the relation of predicate relationship sb2=3Db1 among argume= nts sb3=3Db3 (Note: bN is the place in the def. of bridi, sbN is the place = in the def. of selbri).

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Luke B= ergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Correct. In fact, even simpler: tanru.

ta tcebra g= erku zdani =3D> "That is a huge dog house"

"tcebarda" is a lujvo, "gerku" and "zdani" are each gismu. Bu= t the whole thing "tcebarda gerku zdani" is the "selbri".

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Alex R= ozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:

In that case, though, it's not the word acting as the selb= ri but the phrase.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

And in fact, by using {me}, just about anyth= ing can be coerced into acting as a selbri. e.g. mi me li ci &n= bsp;"I am the number 3"

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM, .a= rpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

Annie, lujvo and gismu refe= r to properties of the words themselves, while selbri refers to how the wor= d is used in a sentence. Because in lojban there is no hard divide (like th= ere is in English) between, for example, words which are verbs, adjectives,= adverbs, and nouns, lujvo, gismu, and even a few cmavo can be used as selb= ri.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.n= et> wrote:

i may not know what i= 'm talking about, but the best word would definately either be selbri or at= titudinal.

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On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:45 PM, M= orphemeAddict <ly= tlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jon= athan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

ju'o so'i roi retsku .i ku'i ji'a sai mi krefu retsku= di'e .i fanva zo'oi should fu ma to mu'i zoi gy. I should eat .gy. joi zoi= gy. I should go to the gym .gy. to mabla me zo zoi javni toi toi

"I'm sure it's been asked many times before; even so, I ask it ag= ain: How does one translate "should" (e.g. "I should eat", "I should go to = the gym" (Damned "zoi" rules))?

With gismu:
=

I'm a little unsure about the proper Lojba= n word for what I mean here (selbri?), but it seems to me that using "gismu= " is overly specific. Similar for "attitudinal" when "cmavo" would apply. T= hose two categories cover all the bases (since names can't do the job).&nbs= p;

stevo

mi bilga lonu citka

With attitudinal (alt= hough I wouldn't be surprised if there's disagreement on this one):

mi citka.ei

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