Received: from mail-pb0-f55.google.com ([209.85.160.55]:64963) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TtPDE-0001g6-7K; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:59:07 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f55.google.com with SMTP id rp2sf543006pbb.0 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=/ElQFMfFmiw8SSTvgyvYNMEy9EQXwDtIn50q1uCMn2c=; b=lVtyk1AgaWxsu+Za7Sooo50LA0QQAPiS0pUe8Q8FoQXYZvONJetgNqjCrF5DPCyhoi UquM5uQ3PO8vZr+XoySF7bacuGXPxqfLVmuqIcjO6HFwMITlOjW/Pxod3uqECI5GbdO+ yo/VL9/dBQPSqoUDiKluqr2kX+qvEsPmotbDeITswl5+t9vW3cmuaFxXINEK6mJXNbb0 o1QGCMqqOzA1mkNYEkuZpL0lII2q0CLG23vTVbig2kFtB1XFJMl9TL5/4GZ9tHB5SP/T CiZR8nzEkxh6Akia4l/6Kav3BbU4RZTJFfXgtz/TZNJ46iWTwOkSgqhY3AsWpEhUJBGA SpHg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=/ElQFMfFmiw8SSTvgyvYNMEy9EQXwDtIn50q1uCMn2c=; b=RUwFy9b61X31quu7i3V30ezU8Rd+eEFX8xiK6Xc44ZMSzxoGcwhQaViYGXsvhaXojs s+sJkMI1fCs9sZFB+T96CeE04XJpr90/3PBia0WFl+00SHnbAd06hRm2q2r1QXNO2qKl lKVyN0XtduRIuyU0IlixBAAIw0E922axJlXLL/pGcNOQZOgYlU7vVYZIQCRapWiHAVek 71XlNFmSTFo7nMhQ7Jtsq/cn+G11jZR8ZklGIZZ5PbY9TE75ProXv8eq6TofGrfTQNKX Ilyw+5v7MTUfk6iMtT//c3lHGs1qCAxgUG8PF/dRbCUBFmLA5lx5gC0DW+9lhcpC0gsM chQw== X-Received: by 10.50.34.167 with SMTP id a7mr2676387igj.5.1357851529621; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.51.201 with SMTP id m9ls2927911igo.24.gmail; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.152.233 with SMTP id vb9mr6384852igb.1.1357851529074; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.152.233 with SMTP id vb9mr6384851igb.1.1357851529056; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ge7si317535igb.0.2013.01.10.12.58.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id za17so1065091obc.3 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.21.135 with SMTP id v7mr53274441obe.101.1357851528792; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.186.98 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] A string that ends with X From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b6374080c1504d2f572e3 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae93b6374080c1504d2f572e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd say: ko tercme lo panzi be do lo [valsi poi] se fanmo be lo karsna .i mu'ibo ca lo nu do krixa le cmene keiku ri kakne vu se tirna The key is fanmo, which is the end of something (not always an event) --gejyspa On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:10 AM, mudri wrote: > I'm trying to translate this Bill Cosby quote: "Always end the name of > your child with a vowel, so that when you yell the name will carry.". > > I've got this far with it: {ko tercme lo panzi be do ko'a mu'i lo du'u > tirna lo nu do kirxa ko'a}. The bit I'm missing is the {goi} phrase for > that first {ko'a}. > > One of my ideas is to have something like {lo se romoi be lo karsna}, but > PAmoi2 is a set (obviously), so that sumti, in this context, would refer to > a set of names (like first name, middle name and surname), the last of > which is a single vowel. Clearly that's not what I want. > > Is there any way to refer to the string made up from a set of characters? > That would make the above sumti work. I also thought of a way to make it > work with the opposite operation (getting the characters from a given > string), using something beginning with {da poi lo karsna cu romoi lo broda > be ke'a}. I'm not saying that it would be a selbri like that; I just wanted > the surrounding structure to be obvious and grammatical. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/sa1vd_NkRrQJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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I'd say:
ko tercme lo panzi be do lo [valsi = poi] se fanmo be lo karsna .i mu'ibo ca lo nu do krixa le cmene keiku r= i =A0kakne vu se tirna

=A0 The key is fanmo, which is th= e end of something (not always an event)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:10 AM, mudri <jammy= atjammy@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to translate this Bill Cosby = quote: "Always end the name of your child with a vowel, so that when y= ou yell the name will carry.".

I've got this far with it: {ko tercme lo panzi be do ko&= #39;a mu'i lo du'u tirna lo nu do kirxa ko'a}. The bit I'm = missing is the {goi} phrase for that first {ko'a}.

One of my ideas is to have something like {lo se romoi be lo karsna}, = but PAmoi2 is a set (obviously), so that sumti, in this context, would refe= r to a set of names (like first name, middle name and surname), the last of= which is a single vowel. Clearly that's not what I want.

Is there any way to refer to the string made up from a = set of characters? That would make the above sumti work. I also thought of = a way to make it work with the opposite operation (getting the characters f= rom a given string), using something beginning with {da poi lo karsna cu ro= moi lo broda be ke'a}. I'm not saying that it would be a selbri lik= e that; I just wanted the surrounding structure to be obvious and grammatic= al.

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